Flight Rising Discussion

EDIT: everyone disagreed with me so i tried a better method [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2383851/3#post_31883086]here[/url] it's alot cleaner and there's alot less unneeded work. EDIT 2: @Adakii else added a better explanation of why Windsinger is in the wormwound [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2383851/3#post_31883850]here[/url] I would like to preface this with a warning that math is not my strong suit and I haven’t done any in a while. If something is off, please let me know. Anyway, i asked a question in [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2383523/1]this thread[/url] and was challenged to answer it myself. [quote name="Ragnell" date="2018-02-22 10:28:25" ] @catgame21234 do you think this number is similar to the amount of dragons it would take to physically drag the windsinger back home? I'm assuming we wont need to purchase ambushes for anyone, but if he resists we might have to fight him. [/quote] This is what I found. First off, i want to justify physically dragging the Windsinger home. I can’t imagine that he doesn’t want to come home (right, dad?? RIGHT??) but seeing as he’s been gone for a few years now, it may come down to this. Hopefully it won’t take too many dragons. Now, lets look at some facts about the windsinger: -Windsinger is 850 meters long ([url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2239281/1]source[/url]) -windsinger is currently in the wyrmwound (based on previous broadcast message) -windsinger generally stays in the cloudsong (based on lair locations) First off, how far is the wyrmwound from the cloudsong? If we look at our map, that’s not a particularly long distance. But the map we’re given isn’t a great measure of just how big the land of sorneith is. Luckily @Llanai made their own map. (sorry for the random ping, wasn’t sure if leaving a link to the thread was enough of a source) [quote name="Llanai" date="2017-03-19 08:13:14" ] [img]http://orig12.deviantart.net/5892/f/2017/078/3/8/sornieth_v2_2_by_soenkan-db2ts15.png[/img] [/quote] [url=http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/cc/2145780/1#message]here’s a link to the original posting of the map[/url] Now, with this map, the Wyrmwound and Cloudsong look much farther apart. While there’s no way for me to scale this map to any sort of human measurement system, common sense tells me that they’re pretty far away. So, we likely can’t just drag dad home with one group of dragons. [b] Whatever dragons we send to bring dad home will have to work in shifts[/b] Second question is, how many dragons would we need to move the Windsinger? I’m going to say that we’re just grabbing him with claws and feet, and using wingpower to drag him through the air. But, to find out how many dragons we need to do that, we want to find the weight of the Windsinger. We do this using math, of course. Will it be accurate? Honestly, I don’t know. Will it give us a number? I really, really hope so. So, we’ve already established that the windsinger is 850m long. Sadly, we don’t have a weight for him. However, we do have a weight for every dragon species in the game, and since we know how the Windsinger compares to each species, we could probably figure something out. There are two methods i can employ. A proportion comparing the Windsinger to the average height/weight of the species most physically similar to him, Spirals. The same thing with Imperials, the largest breed. I’m going to do both and compare my numbers. I’ll be using averages from [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/gde/1209023] this post[/url], since the newer one does not have values for imperials yet. Method 1 gives me about 21589.5 kilograms ([url=https://i.imgur.com/bqUsX72.png]my math[/url]) Method 2 gives me about 288248.2 kilograms ([url=https://i.imgur.com/PfrPHsv.png]my math[/url]) Great. This makes things a bit more hazy. I’m personally more inclined to use the answer to method 1, since spirals are proportionally similar to the Windsinger, so likely have a closer weight distribution to him than imperials, so that is the number i’ll be using further. [b] So, the Windsinger weighs around 21589.5 kilograms, or 47596.70009 pounds[/b] Now on to part two, how many dragons can move him. Lets use imperials for this, since they’re the biggest in wingspan and will probably have the least trouble moving him. Lets assume that imperials are strong enough move their own weight. So, from the earlier post, our number is 7653.84 kg. The only issue is that according to the encyclopedia entry on imperials. [quote] Though they are physically capable maintaining flight for weeks on end, Imperials are not as maneuverable as many smaller species, and are vulnerable in aerial combat. They will attempt to swat, grab, and drive their opponents to the ground where Imperials may better use their strength and magic against them. [/quote] So, Imperials cannot use their full strength in the air, so let’s nerf that number a little. Again, we have to make an assumption. I’m going to guess that an imperial can use, say, half their weight in the air. So we’ll half the weight of the average imperial to solve this. 21589.5 divided by 3826.92 comes out to be 5.6414819228, which rounds up to six. [b]It takes six imperials to move the Windsinger, though all six are using their entire strength against a non-resistant windpapa. This number rises as noodledad tries to resist.[/b] Onto the third question, which is how long a dragon can travel before it gets tired, because that will decide how many teams of dragons will be sent to bring home the windsinger. I’m going to find this out by first taking a dragon in and out of coli until it will no longer fight. That’ll tell me the minimum of how much energy a dragon needs to do things. I used [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=31555811]Arl[/url] for this, and at 18/50 he was no longer capable of fighting, so my assumption is that any dragon that drops below 20 cannot coli fight, or can be considered “too tired to work”. (for his effort, Arl gets to raid my seafood stores). So, how long does it take for a dragon to reach this via the site timer? Every 8 hours, every dragon on the site loses 1 energy point. To drop below 20, a dragon needs to lose 31 points. So,[b] it takes 248 hours, or a little over 10 days for a dragon to naturally drop below the coli line.[/b] Dragging a big noodle dragon may as well have the same drain on one’s energy as daily lair activity. Sadly, I don’t know how to calculate flight speed and how long it would actually take for a dragon to fly from point a to point b, so i’ll make one last assumption and say that two teams can trade off on carrying Winddad back to his flight. [b] So, the answer is that it would take at least two teams of six imperials to physically drag the Windsinger back to the Cloudsong. Twelve dragons in total [/b] This number is a lot lower than expected, which probaby means im wrong. but again, i don't do math good. Anyway, if anyone wants to check/correct my work or point out other facts that might change my number, go ahead!

@catgame21234 finished!

You know what nonoonno @Ragnell no seriously why use that map? It dosn't even get arcane's domain right at. It's an artist interpitation. God bless yes i love that mans work you should check out the other stuff he's made, but they took a lot of creative liberties and it is not great for [b][u][i]theory[/i][/u][/b] crafting. Heacannon is just fine but not [b][i]theory[/i][/b] [quote] While there’s no way for me to scale this map to any sort of human measurement system, [/quote] Sorneith is 1.5 times the size of the planet earth. Slightly less dence than ear I've gone over this many many times before. XD; http://flightrising.wikia.com/wiki/Sornieth wiki has a sorce [quote]So, we likely can’t just drag dad home with one group of dragons. Whatever dragons we send to bring dad home will have to work in shifts[/quote] Have you considered them nose diving into them? The gravity of sornieth is also lighter. [quote] There are two methods i can employ. A proportion comparing the Windsinger to the average height/weight of the species most physically similar to him, Spirals. The same thing with Imperials, the largest breed.[/quote] [size=7][b]have you considered cubic mass?[/b] If you can figure out how many snappers can fit in the dad you can find an estimated weight into the winddad[/size] [quote]Great. This makes things a bit more hazy. I’m personally more inclined to use the answer to method 1, since spirals are proportionally similar to the Windsinger, so likely have a closer weight distribution to him than imperials, so that is the number i’ll be using further. [/quote] they'ed both be off because you have wings attached to both dragon kind making them much more heavy. and i know from this well educated documented online show from when i was younger [img]https://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/316201313114.jpg[/img] that limbs add a lot of weight. [quote]It takes six imperials to move the Windsinger, though all six are using their entire strength against a non-resistant windpapa. This number rises as noodledad tries to resist. [/quote] [img]https://i.imgur.com/YSzhx5l.png[/img] are you quite sure it takes only [b]six[/b] of those [i]yellow guys you see on there?[/i] To move something this large? this image is [s]semi[/s] to scale, the imperials (who are semi to scale in this situation. Windsinger is to scale) are the dots. [img]https://i.imgur.com/Zt8WkcM.png[/img] (two teams of) [size=7][size=5][b]SIX OF THESE GUYS TO MOVE A NOODLE THAT LORG? ARE YOU [i] SURE[/i] ABOUT THAT?[/b][/size][/size] NOW YOU MAY GET MY PING Lore buddy ping list: [b](add me as a friend and comment on my profile page to be added!)[/b] @ArtsyDragon7, @Kawootie, @Reiyn, @GlitterDCMarvel, @WhySoDelirious, @PoorLifeChoices, @Amyatzu, @JadeMagic, @CrystalRush, @Leopardmask, @violalore, @bowserslave, @Ellapinky, @JumpScared, @JadeFlame, @Duskflame, @TheElfDruid,@Rinwood,@DiamondNoodles,@3idolon,@Kaibutsu,@DarkwingDove, @Shaydas, @ColoradoBlues @ClockworkEclipse, @SleepyChipmunk @Sabriel415, @DarkVSO, @Cheshly, @WhiteDiamond ,@RingsofSaturn, @Dalison, @MagicSpyglass,@Rocwylde, @Artificiary,@ILUVDRAGONS, @throwaway181,@L2B,@Kittystar,@riseandshine, @luminousnoble, @Spottedleaves1,@Gaming4Lyfe @MiniDrachin @Katsuokai @AetherDragon @Kano3Shuuya @Caravan @EmeraldJubilee @TheEngineer @Kristan @Inkapede @KitApparently @Dragongirlgirl @girlgirlDragon @Oranitha @JonTargaryen @CassieRose @Chimaerix @Comic1Sans @CrazyRedFire @QuetzalQueen @FlamingSwallow @ookamisoulreaper @TheRobinsBerry @HyperionForge @Starglade @GlassJungle @Galaxiel @biochemist @P4810 @CrAZDragon @Skyfire7 @AnacondaMiracle @Kerriganne @Remuta @Cumulus @Aaliyahgemini664 @Geckoe @Smirch @Nomo2001 @RecursionErr0r @Storey @Scorporius @Kapara @Ragnell @GuidanceOfficer

@Ragnell

ive made edits, sorry.
Love the enthusiazum tho!

Oooh LORE WAR!!!

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[quote name="MoonEclispe" date="2018-02-22 15:20:11" ] Oooh LORE WAR!!! [/quote] [b]NO WAR ONLY AGRESSIVE SUPPORT[/b] [img]http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3c/3c01073cbe8b09fac4f835c28320a8101de63ce1fae6d384594d825a4f2ac2f1.jpg[/img] @Ragnell [img]http://i.imgur.com/H5kdo2I.png[/img] you can use the red numbers to make a cylinder that is 850m long and find out the volume of that, It may not be right due to him having an hour glass figure but it'd give you a better idea what he looks like [img]http://i.imgur.com/FosZu1E.jpg[/img] you can also use the bottom side image to taper off anything OR just stick with a cilander and say "this is our estimate because !@#$ you" and leave it there it'd be something youd have to figet around. I recomend you draw it out. Once you find out how much volume is in that cube you can do the same for snappers volume and asume they are simmiler then use the big image to photoshop how many snappers would fit in windsinger then work from there @Ragnell rework some numbers make a few more assumptions (we are dealing with magic) thats just a recomendation but this is a good steping stone.

Well, first of all we recruit the Ridgebacks to build a giant wagon and tie Noodlepapa down.
Then we get all the tireless Snipsnaps to drag him home.
Several thousand Imps are on standby to provide flight power for short periods if nessecary (like for crossing a river)

[quote name="JonTargaryen" date="2018-02-22 15:22:36" ] [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/E3xXqq617AaFW/giphy.gif[/img] [/quote] [i]closely watching thread[/i]

Don't mind me i'll just be here, stalking this lore war.. [img]https://media.giphy.com/media/AZa4KP7o6J7Us/giphy.gif[/img]