Flight Rising Discussion

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This should be my final poll on the subject before I drop my results into the suggestions thread forever. I've done everything I can think of to make this poll fit the needs and opinions of the different 'sides' of this debate, and hope that it can fit yours.

I will be using the results from this poll, and my other polls, to compile a dataset which gives users an idea of where everyone stands, and how we should be going forward. I welcome, and encourage, you to discuss the update, the issues you've faced with this update, and what you believe Flight Rising should do next in response to this update (whether it be a complete overhaul or nothing at all).

Thank you all once again for helping me during this turbulent time for the fanbase and tolerating my excessive polls. I'm very happy with what I've been able to do so far and would love to continue doing so in the future.

Note: I am currently offline. Please don't worry if you don't see me responding to pinglist requests and other such things; I just need to cater to real life for a bit XD

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RESULTS
to be published tomorrow afternoon

Q1: Which Flight are you in?
Light - 17.1%
Wind - 11.4%
Shadow - 10.7%
Ice - 10.3%
Lightning - 9.8%
Nature - 9.6%
Plague - 8.5%
Arcane - 8.2%
Fire - 5%
Water - 4.8%
Earth - 4.6%

Q2: How do you feel about the update?

With minor tweaks/specific changes, I'll like it - 32.6%
I love some, hate some - 21.4%
I like it - 17.4%
I love it - 14.8%
Indifferent - 5.5%
I don't like it - 2.8%
I hate it - 2.1%

Other responses expressed that it was executed badly. Specific comments mentioned art being 'sloppy' and that the lack of response from staff was disappointing.

Q3: Which of the following are you experiencing?

I believe the update is flawed - 62.3%
I'm tired of/worried about the silence from the FR Team - 61%
I'm tired of the melodrama - 44%
I don't think the eyes are as important as people are making it sound ("they're RUINED!") - 43.4%
I don't want my efforts getting scattersights to be wasted - 36.5%
I'm frustrated with the community - 30.2%
I feel people are nitpicking on the issues in this update - 22.6%
I'd like to just grind my scattersights in peace - 20.3%
People are asking for changes I don't want - 19.6%
I'm tired of talking about the eyes - 19.4%
I am very upset by this situation - 19%
I'm infuriated about the update - 13.9%
I'm confused about the update and/or community reaction - 13.2%
I am considering leaving the game (perm or temp) - 11.4%
I'm scared because of this situation - 7.7%
I'm becoming sick/ill because of this situation - 7.5%
I'm not experiencing any of these - 0.9%
I'm experiencing all of these - 0.4%

Other comments expressed that they were unable to get the eyes due to a lack of implementation for older dragons, general sadness at the reaction of the community, and burnout from grinding for the scattersights. (May be extended in the future.)

Q4: What are your main issues with this update?

The odds from scattersight are ridiculous - 63.3%
The scattersight was poorly implemented - 56.6%
I don't have time to get the scattersights I need - 48.6%
I can't get the common eyes back - 47.7%
I think the update was rushed (errors in multigaze, weird choices) - 47.3%
The melodrama - 41.8%
I can't get the original eyes back - 32.9%
One of my older dragons has strange/unfitting eyes - 18.1%
I am experiencing body horror from one of the eyes and can't opt out - 8.5%
I have no issues - 3.2%
All of these - 2.3%

Q5: Select the proposed solutions you believe should happen.

Don't retire the scattersight - 61%
Add a new item to perform a similiar function to scattersight - 51.2%
Changing the way people acquire Multigaze/Primal/Faceted - 50%
Change common eyes to original - 39.1%
Changing the design of Multigaze - 23.5%
Changing the design of Light Primal - 17.6%
Changing the design of Plague Primal - 17.3%
Changing the design of Earth Primal - 11.7%
Changing the design of any of the eyes - 9.3%
I don't want any of these changes - 8%
Changing the design of Shadow Primal - 6.2%
Other (unspecified) - 3.7%
I don't care either way - 3.6%
I want all of these changes - 0.5%

Other comments offered changing the odds of scattersight as the most common suggestion. One unique comment suggested adding a second set of primal eyes, alongside improving the odds.

Q6: Select the proposed solutions you believe should NOT happen.

Changing the design of shadow primal - 43.8%
Changing the design of Plague primal - 28.7%
Changing the design of Earth Primal - 28.3%
Changing the design of Light Primal - 27.1%
Changing the design of any of the eyes - 24.9%
Changing the design of Multigaze - 23.1%
Don't retire the scattersight - 22.9%
Changing the way people acquire Multigaze/Primal/Faceted - 18.3%
Add a new item to perform a similar function to Scattersight - 15.9%
I don't care either way - 13.9%
I don't want any of these changes to happen - 4%
I want all these changes to happen - 1.4%

Other comments were heavily mixed, and frequently completely opposed each other. Generally speaking, people expressed the opinion that some changes they indicated would negatively affect parts of the community which they were not a part of themselves.

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COMMENTS

Anon, Final Poll

I've wanted new eyes for a while, but they were implemented poorly. I am happy to have multiple eyes, but things like getting them for the right dragons, problems in the design (light has a good idea but poor execution), and replacing the eyes of ALL old dragons keeps me from enjoying the update to the fullest.

Anon, Final Poll

I love the eyes but not how short a time frame we were given to collect the vials. If this new mechanic was only meant for dragons that will be hatched going forward (and the vials were just a fun way to have some of our dragons be unique) then that's fine but they needed to state that in the announcement thread explicitly so that all this confusion and frustration could have been avoided.

Anon, Final Poll

I like the eyes a lot and I think it's a great idea. I just think it is too RNG based.

Anon, Final Poll

Love the eyes for the most part. I especially like the sometimes subtle differences between Common, Unusual, Uncommon, and Rare eyes. The whole thing was poorly and uncreatively implemented, though. Grinding the vials, in Coli or in Baldwin, is a stressful, RNG-based slog, not to mention that however many I manage to obtain will still never be enough to guarantee a particular type of eye, because of -- once again -- RNG. I had much more fun last anniversary when the Dressing Room was introduced. I designed tons of new outfits for all of my long time favorite dragons. This anniversary most of my long time favorites aren't getting anything, except maybe replaced by new hatchlings with the shiny new eyes. I just can't afford to toss 100+ vials at each of my old dragons to maybe change their eyes, and if this update was actually done well, I wouldn't have to.

I'm just... really disappointed.

Oh, also, on a positive note, the bird familiar's neat. Some of the prettiest familiar art right there. I'd love recolors of them (and if FR had any sense, they'd release those recolors as peace offerings to everyone dissatisfied with this update... only kidding, of course!)

Anon, Final Poll

The update feels a bit rushed, and is far too short. There is no justifying a 3 day event, not with such a large playerbase who have other things to focus on away from Flight Rising. It feels poorly planned, and the lack of communication from staff/staff ignoring constructive criticism is incredibly disheartening.

Anon, Final Poll

The scattersight was made too rare for what it is and the time it's been available. The first day had decent drop rates, though many (at least in plague discord) noticed a large drop in the number of vials received after rollover on the 9th. It's off that staff didn't say anything about the drop rates being changed, despite many noticing the exact same trend.

Anon, Final Poll

I fear the idea of my newer eyes (Gen1 hatches, scattered oldies, etc.) losing their new eyes due to a vast majority. I also fear the idea of losing the potential for multi-gaze due to a few users who don't seem to understand that other features can be implemented so that they don't have to see the body horror/trypophobic eyes (ex: Set up a switch in the account options that lets users switch off multi-eyes and/or primal eyes for their account only. Any dragon viewed by that account would no longer be seen with multi-gaze/primal on dragons with the eyes, and as such the players would not be subject to the terror they feel by the eyes themselves. They'd still be able to see what eyes their hatchling got by looking at the text under eye type, but not the actual eyes on the dragon. This wouldn't alter the eyes for users that are able to see the eyes, just for the users that disable the ability to view those eyes (which might look like common to them...?). A similar switch was implemented for specific dragons during one april fools day event where users could toggle "HD Mode" with a switch on individual dragons, so perhaps something similar could be used here.). There are other potential solutions beyond simply getting rid of the new multi-gaze/primals or altering them in general, yet the vocal majority want them gone completely, which I don't think is right for users that have worked hard to scatter their dragons to get those eyes.

Anon, Final Poll

I think the random element it fine, as new dragons have a way to become valuable, and retiring the vials is also fine as it is exactly what they said would happen. They did not have to give us a way to change old dragons eyes in the first place, I see the vials as a BONUS, a short opportunity to change them to a new feature, not something that we should expect to have on hand all the time. I feel it would make the potential value of dragons with rare eyes even less if you can just change your old dragons to have it eventually with piling on vials.

Anon, Final Poll

In the announcement, staff used hatchlings as examples, and that kind of felt like a tacit admission of the update's weaknesses, because the whole thing is laughable on adult dragons. Only Spirals, Fae, and maybe Coatl dragons have eyes large enough for this to actually be exciting. Most of the dragon breeds only have eyes that are a few pixels in size, so the common to rare spectrum is functionally useless on, say, a Guardian or Skydancer, and faceted under performs. Even some of the primal effects end up being lackluster. It's pretty disappointing, but I've disliked the eye designs of the adult dragons for years anyway and wished they could be tweaked to be larger.

Anon, Final Poll

One way the light eyes could be improved is making the eye less circular and more leaf shaped. I believe that what makes this eye a meme is in part due to the circular glowing shape being reminiscent of the circular glowing shape applied to images in some memes. Maybe add some shading or make a longer "tail"? Obviously, that raises the question of how that would affect the fantastic crescent shape by the eye- would it no longer look good next to a round shape? Hard to say, there's no easy answer. I love the eye, especially the shapes extending from it (just to reiterate, I like the shapes around and coming from it, just not the actual eye's circular shape), and I'm fine with no changes, but when you look at it, it sometimes seems like...a bit of a joke.

Anon, Final Poll

It really just feels like the Flight Rising devs don't understand their audience. A lot of us come here for the thousands of breeding projects that we can specifically map out step by step. Some of us have spent years doing this. There's so little rng in breeding here that every offspring was predictable, and we liked that. You can not add a brand new, purely rng based mechanic and expect the majority of your audience to like it, especially when some of them look truly awful and disturbing.

I honestly believe the update would not have caused such an uproar if the scattersights werent being retired. As someone who has spent several months trying to breed a specific dragon from gen 1s up, I would quit the game if I finally got all the matching genes and colours and breed, but got one of the awful eyes with the rng and no way to change it. Your users should not be PUNISHED for spending countless hours working and playing on your site. We should be absolutely certain of the offspring we create at all times, which was the whole draw to the website in the first place.

Anon, Final Poll

I think that by this point, a good solution to the eye/scattervial retirement dilemma that would satisfy the most amount of people would be retiring the scattervial (to satisfy those who don't want staff to go back on their word) but adding other ways to get any type of eyes, guaranteed, on any dragon (to satisfy the old dragon collectors and people focused on geneing and customization). Not saying it has to be easy or cheap, but it should be possible. Perhaps some sort of expensive, multi-step Baldwin brew for eyes like Multi-Gaze, or a way of getting Primal eyes linked to festivals -- for example, why don't we have Joxar items that cost more than one token? Primal Eye Vials could be one of them. Vials for the less rare types of eyes could be dropped in the Coliseum, obtained from chests, or even cycled in the treasure marketplace like the Lovely Seraph items are. And of course, Common Eye Vials should be as easily obtainable as gene removal scrolls are. That's only fair. Honestly, though, I'd just be happy with anything that keeps the only way of changing a dragon's eyes from retiring. It would be wise for FR to address this and take community feedback into account. By now, almost every argument under the sun has been made by users. Now it's up to staff to decide how they want to handle things. There's not really an "if"; when this update's been received with more controversy than even the colorwheel expansion, you've gotta say something, even if it simply is "No, we're not changing anything."

Anon, Final Poll

The idea of different eye types is good. The implementation is bad.

IF we cannot have 'original' eyes back, a 'legacy eyes' option should be added for all dragons that existed before the change. Make it impossible for any new dragons to get the original eyes, but it's not fair to the users at all that old dragons have suddenly permanently changed. Perhaps progens could also have the 'legacy eyes' option to differentiate them as 'special' dragons.

I think it would be unfair to not retire the scattersights. They must be retired at the end of the three days since we've been told they will. I agree it wasn't enough time to gather them, and the odds of certain eyes was unfair considering the method of obtaining them.

Other than fixing art mistakes (looking at multi-gaze.... a lot), it would be unfair for any designs to be changed now. People have spent time and money to get some of the specific new eyes. If any designs were changed now, there would be MORE complaining, and rightfully so. (Which is exactly why original eyes should not have been messed with).

As an alternate to the scattersights being retired, new items could be introduced. Similar to the item for glowing eyes, an item for each individual eye type. The method of obtaining these would depend on the rarity of the eye type. Common, uncommon, unusual could be treasure MP items. Rare could be a Swipp swap. Faceted could be a high-level baldwin recipe. Multi-Gaze could be a gem MP option. Primal could be an extremely rare coli drop (eliminate-level rarity, or even rarer than that). And of course, all eye types are obtainable through hatching nests.

Perhaps some items that can be used on nests to influence the eye type of any eggs hatched from that nest. These could be a one-use item, a permanent change to that particular nest, or maybe a temporary nest effect that wears off after that nest has been used a certain number of times.

Add a 'revert to common eyes' item. This is absolutely necessary, in my opinion.

Anon, Final Poll

This site is incredibly focused on customization: handpicking your dragon's genes/breed, breeding in a specific nest for eye color, creating customized accents/skins, dressing them in apparel of your choice, etc. Implementing a core site feature that heavily influences the way a dragon looks, yet not having an item to correct it ("common" eye scroll) and retiring the item that influences it... this directly conflicts with the idea of personalization and customization.

Anon, Final Poll

Just going into a little more detail here from the stuff I selected: If they had given users a heads-up that the original eyes were going to be updated (without hinting about the new eye types) let's say, a month ahead of time, I feel as though there wouldn't be as much backlash/outbursts and the forums wouldn't be so flooded with negativity. I've seen some appreciative threads, but the more negative ones has nearly pushed me away from FRD. I hope the admins do take note of the reactions and feedback and can learn how to better handle huge updates like this from now on. This isn't just a new addition to FR, it's a whole new game mechanic with little control other than scattersight vials, which will expire after the end of Sunday (today). Personally, I feel like this shouldn't happen. Throughout the years, the admins have done a fantastic job adding in new features, tons of new items, taking in feedback, and making changes responding to said feedback. They seem quiet now, but like I mentioned before, they may just be listening for now and discussing this behind the scenes about what they can do to possibly avoid situations like this again. Overall, I'm okay with the Eye Type update. I give it a 7/10 if we were rating here.

Anon, Final Poll

For a game that is about cosmetics and visuals, why make new cosmetics that old dragons that people cherish for their age, appearance, dates, or whatever other reason, unable to obtain these new visuals. If the vial was still random but gave a secondary exclusive reward to allow you to buy an "eye gene" that let you pick the one you wanted in exchange for however many number of that currency, the anxiety and frustration would be stripped away as you gain the chance to get the eye you want at random but can keep trying with a tangible goal if you don't randomize it within a certain number of tonics. This is far better than simply applying a scatter and going from uncommon to uncommon in the futile quest for Primal or Multi (Sometimes even faceted) where it becomes degrading and un-fun to even bother at all.

Anon, Final Poll

I think people are failing to notice the positive changes this could have on the breeding community, and are focusing on the negative. I think the difficulty of the perfect dragon with matching eyes is challenging in a good way. I like the fact that you can't buy your way into them - for example, a new player can still get amazing luck without needing to, for example, gamble on eggs or scatterscrolls.

Anon, Final Poll

I believe there needs to be some sort of item (treasure mp) to revert the eyes back to common, just like there's one to revert genes to basic. I don't care so much about the quick retiring of scattersights as I do that there is no way to change eyes to common. Though it does annoy me that an item that is fairly important is being retired after only 3 days, I have many old dragons that I would love to have different eyes on but I don't want to waste scattersights. I also feel that the frequency of primal/facet/multigaze should be increased as I have seen many users use 50+ scattersights trying to get it with no success. Especially since the items are only available for 3 days, those should be the odds for breeding, not scattersights. It's also incredibly annoying that they changed the original eyes to be tinted differently, while it's not a huge difference to many people it is incredibly noticeable to me and plenty of others. The new eyes also seem 'dead' in many instances, as if the life was sucked out of our dragons. I love the idea of new eyes, but so many aspects of it were done wrong. They shouldn't have changed the original eyes in the first place, but if they for some reason needed to change the original eyes they should have made the changes less noticeable. I personally don't have any spirals in my lair so I haven't seen this myself, but I have heard they added an incredibly noticeable white spot to the eyes that looks fairly out of place. I also find that the faceted eyes on multiple breeds (coatls, ridgebacks, etc.) don't resemble bug eyes at all, and in some cases look like they're rolling their eyes back into their head.

Anon, Final Poll

Speaking of progens, what if your progen gets weird eyes? Can you choose your progen's eye type when you generate them? You for sure can't revert them after this update. New players will either be stuck with common eyes for their progens unless they shell out for a retired item, or join during the Anniversary. That, or player progens DO have a chance to have random eye types, and a player can get stuck with multieye/primal on their progen with no option to change it or remove it, unlike being able to scatterscroll our progens if we wanted to. We only get 2, and they're special, we should be able to scatter the eye types of our progens without consequence or being locked out by being a new player.

Anon, Final Poll

The original eye color change WAS one of my largest issues. Now that Aequorin has addressed it, I feel leagues better. I can live with this change and be happy, as long as I know WHY it was implemented, which now I do. I'm very happy the admins decided to talk to us, though I'm sorry we scared them off/startled them with so much negativity early on. The community had a right to be upset, but being AGGRESSIVE towards the admins and other players, was not okay.

Anon, Final Poll

The staff have responded now that the main thread has reopened, but there's still not much acknowledgement of the player's concerns regarding changes to the current implementation. While I understand that making a choice will take time, at least making note that they are contemplating changes for some of the above issues would go a long way in having players feel like they've been heard.

Anon, Final Poll

Although I sympathize with people frustrated by the update, I also feel that the negativity is excessive and unwarranted. Art revamps are always going to be divisive. Personally, I thought the old eyes were flat and lifeless, and I’m excited about the changes even if it means my dragons aren’t exactly the same. And I might think most of the primal eyes look ugly, but a lot of people would disagree with me on that! We’ve all got different tastes. Overall, I really think this update is good for the long term of FR and will make individual dragons even more unique even as ID numbers continue to tick up.

Anon, Final Poll

I really wish that the staff would stop assuming everything in Plague should be pustules. There's other forms of disease besides pus sacks, and at this point it feels like laziness on the artists' part. Look at any Plague flight member that has lore; many of their dragons fit the theme of Plague without re-using the same idea over and over. The eyes could have resembled the affects of necrotizing fasciitis, or bone spurs, or literally anything but more pus.

Anon, Final Poll

I usually never have anything bad to say about the updates, since they are all usually amazing and fun! And if I ever don't like something, I can just ignore it and if I do love something I have a chance to get it - so it's a win-win. With the eye update though, it's a bit complicated. I love the idea and even how most of them look (and that in itself isn't a big deal at all) but how it was implicated is the problem. I know the staff meant it to make breeding more fun - which I'm sure it is now - but what about the dragons who we've had for years? Do they just miss out? I know there are the scatters, but if they are retiring tomorrow (and with such a dismal rate to get anything above rare) how are we going to get all of our old dragons the special eyes we want? I can't breed new progens, I can't breed new dragons that have sentimental value to me. I would much rather have special eyes on the dragons I've had for years than random fodder dragons. So I hope that the staff reconsider and keep it as a rare item in either the coli or marketplace - also maybe consider bringing in a 'revert to common/original eye' item for people who don't like the Plague/multi eyes or for people who just want their dragons' eyes back to normal. If it really is retiring and there will be no revert to common/original option I don't think I'll be using the vials that much if not at all (since getting stuck with eyes I don't like or eyes that make me squimish is a real fear of mine), which is sad because this really, truely is an amazing idea.

Anon, Final Poll

I would be all for a way to revert unwanted eyes to common, but would not like vials for other Natural eye types. They should be special, especially the rarer ones.

What would also be good is some sort of nest stabilizer to prevent those who don’t want certain eye types from ever hatching them. I’d propose three types: extreme stabilizer (Common eyes only), standard stabilizer (nothing rarer than Rare), and specified stabilizer (protects against a specific eye style, such as Multi Gaze).

Anon, Final Poll

It was not set up individually to breeds, with multigaze having white fringe and not matching the breeds. Some primal designs were poorly thought out, and while pretty on their own, do not work for a living creature the way they want us to believe the dragons to be. My biggest issue is a disregard for color blind people. I can't see color very well, but I'm not color blind, and I found the common-rare designs to be utterly lacking, unless they make a HUGE change, such as rare arcane.

Anon, Final Poll

I think the update should have been planned a little better; the issue I have is not with the eyes, but the way it's introduced. 3 days before forever retirement isn't reasonable for a random consumable that only has a 3% at most chance for the desired outcome if you want the rare eyes. We don't know what we'll get from the scatter, and it's limited. At least with imp scrolls, you know what you're spending your money on.

Anon, Final Poll

All other retired items up to this point has been a set item (Imperial breed change, Boolean, Skycat, festival items and chests, etc.). The Scattersight is a random chance item, thus making it an unreliable item. Making it unobtainable in the future means this item could go extinct, and the last one used could very well be an expensive disappointment for the one who used it. I don't agree with this.

Anon, Final Poll

I said some of this in a suggestions thread already, but... it seems as though one of the primary supported ways to use this site is as a way to amass a collection of pixels which we find visually appealing. To have those pixels rearranged out from under us while we sleep (may be metaphorical sleep depending on time zone), without any warning or acknowledgement from staff, is somewhat unsettling. I'm aware that the site is, in the end, a business, and it exists/functions on the whims of its staff/owners! But its customers also get to vote with their dollars if they choose. And while I, personally, have never been big into perfectly-matching eyes... well, I sure as heck am not buying any gem packs to fund the purchase of a dragon which looks Exactly Right *now*. The precedent is now that I can't expect that dragon to be what I wanted, any more, from one day to the next. (I was already very hesitant to spend real money on pixels, because I know how ephemeral those pixels are, so I didn't have any plans to buy any more any time soon. Technically FR hasn't lost any money on me. They just deepened my paranoia about buying, is all!)

Anon, Final Poll

I felt like a little kid on Christmas when I saw how big the new update was. Eyes! New eyes, unique eyes, fair chances for everyone to hatch these new, cool, eyes! I was so disappointed I wasn't hatching any nests that day, I wanted the new eyes NOW, used up my free scattersight (and quite a few coliseum ones) as soon as I logged on. And I thought, I want to see what other people are saying about this update! It's really big, I bet people are going crazy over it! And I checked the announcement thread, and.... That's not what I saw. I saw people arguing, getting rude about the scattersight RNG, getting rude about people being upset, being rude at people for NOT being upset. My stomach sank. The worst part? The people who had valid points. I began to realize... Well, yeah, there are quite a few problems with this update. But because none of them affected me, personally, I hadn't realized it at all. And I imagine that's somewhat how the staff felt. They were just so excited to finally do something big, something for the lore that wasn't confined to the encyclopedia page anymore! Maybe in their excitement, like mine, they simply didn't realize how many small things could be wrong. I think that's kind of where things have to be figured out... Flight Rising has always been, first and foremost, a lore website. Everything is sort of in-character, in-world, and I feel like the game and its players have gone away from that, despite the staff still trying to make it lore driven. Imagine, if the game had started, and all the eye colors were uniform. Or hereditary, or something unlike the common flight eyes we've always had. And one day, staff says, all the eye colors are going to be color-coordinated by flight. People would've been mad! "My green eyed pair had finally started breeding, but I'm in shadow flight! This ruins everything!" But ultimately, it makes a lot more sense in the lore of the game. Because that's what this is. A game. And I feel like people have forgotten that, somehow. I dunno, I guess I'm rambling, but... I wish there were a good solution between the problems that are apparent, and the fact that this is a really good step forward for the lore-driven basis of the game.

Anon, Final Poll

Firstly, I appreciate the effort it took from staff to plan and implement Eye Types as they are, or in any possible iteration, and I'm mostly happy with how it's all going.

However, the Suggestions Forum has been around for a long time, with several threads about introducing "mutations" to impact future hatchlings. Most of those discussions said that the playerbase would be happiest if a mutation system was opt-in and/or opt-out (opting out should cost less than opting in was also a trend). I am NOT happy that Eye Types are neither opt in or opt out (for future hatchlings, obviously Vials allow the system to be opted in for pre-existing dragons, and thanks for that). If I hatch a dragon with Multi-Gaze, an eye type that I personally do not want in my lair, it is currently impossible to change that dragon to Common eyes, and (especially after tomorrow) expensive to "reroll" an eye type. So really, opting in is compulsory and "opting out" means that a player might have to set back other goals such as breeding projects or regening a dragon. Speaking of breeding projects, there are some future projects of mine that would definitely look bad with certain Eye Types. Without a Revert to Common item, I might have to reject an otherwise perfect hatchling.

I understand the intent for not letting Eye Types become a Quarternary Gene. However, in a practical sense, not allowing players to breed for Eye Types when they can breed for element (which in the past, did mean breeding for eye color) has almost agressively stolen player control over future hatchlings.

If I'm remembering the numbers right, hatchlings have at least a 4/10 chance of getting (9/10 if you count Common). Players with hatcheries meticulously selected their pairs, some trying to get primary/secondary/tertiary color outcomes as close to eye color as possible. With the edits to Common and the introduction of tints, many of these pairs are ruined. Additionally, many of these eye types are highly desirable, and players have created new dream dragons to match the eye types. But how are they supposed to get these one-in-several trillion (quadrillion?) dragons if they can't breed for Eye Type? That said, I do mostly like the update - siblings can have different eye colors witn the tints, I'm happy with Arcane Primal (and have no plans to switch flights and will not be sharing my opinion on other Primals since they minimally affect me). I'm just concerned about the compulsory and fully random aspects.

Anon, Final Poll*

1) The staff's hypocrisy, isn't acceptable. Earlier, they made a fuss about keeping anything too graphic, out of the Plague aesthetic. But then they added body horror themselves, into the core game, without a way to easily get away from it. Skins and accents, even the upsetting ones that still get through, can be avoided by not buying them. But some of the eye types, aren't avoidable.

*This reply had part of it edited out, due to some mild contradictions and personal info. However, I was impressed with the first part, and decided to include it. (If you wrote this and want it removed, please PM me. I will take it down immediately after receiving and replying to the message.)

Anon, Final Poll

The intention was good, and new RNG outcomes for breeding is really neat! Aside from an inability to pick and choose or revert if you get, say, multi-gaze on your perfect breeding project baby, but you absolutely didn't want multi on it. But ultimately, any good in the update was overshadowed by its flaws: a tiny three-day window, horrendous RNG (making it hard to get a "rarer" eye type on even ONE dragon, let alone several), nonexistent communication from staff, and an overall feeling that the event and its details weren't thought through enough.

Anon, Final Poll

The common eye update was supposed to provide uniformity across breeds, but I feel like that is either a very poor excuse or there was very poor oversight/QC in the final product. I understand Plague's eyes had a lot of discrepancies from breed to breed, but which Light breed is the new lemon yellow supposed to represent? Which Wind breed ever had that yellow tint in the first place? Uniformity to me means picking the most average color and making others conform to it, not focusing on an outlier or picking a brand new color and changing everything to match it.