Flight Rising Discussion

so, i managed to get 113 chests, with the help of a lot of grinders, and a good friend. because if i would've done it on my own, i probably wouldnt even have 99 chests by the end of the day. (that's how horrible the droprates are). guess what i got? 5 eggs. 5. 1 nocturne scroll 2 smirches. everything else is familiars and apparel. this.... is simply ridiculous. :) [b]Edit[/b] Putting this wonderful bit by Ragnarok42 here, for people to read. [quote name="Ragnarok42" date="2018-12-27 04:15:49" ] I've been grinding almost constantly whenever i'm awake to do so since the start of the event, switching venues often to get different swipp drops, and still even counting the few chests from gathering (which isn't doing great itself, I only got one chest from gathering today) I've only managed to get something like 40 (i didn't count, i just know I've been getting very roughly 6-12 every day) chests all week. The only way i could possibly be getting more chests is if i gave up brewing limited apparel (given the sort of stuff that most of the chests have been dropping, brewing one would most likely just be a complete waste of mats anyway), sleeping, eating, and going to the bathroom altogether. It was only yesterday that the chests FINALLY started dropping something other than small old apparel and first-year familiars, but even then all it gave me was the same telescope familiar over and over, a vista (neat but i'll get bored of it fast), two ghastcrowns (THANK YOU FINALLY), and a couple eggs (good i guess but not what i was going for, and it'll be at least 3 months before it's even worth it to sell them) and once the vista popped out it went right back to drowning me in deadly reflections. Rng. Rng all i wanted was new familiars and ghastcrowns. What are you doing. New familiars are the one thing you're supposed to drop lots of. I can't even go trade for the familiars i actually want because barring the eggs (that are in a weird useless spot where if i try to trade them for anything i'll be losing money in the long term but by the time their price gets back up enough that they'll actually be worth their full value the opportunity to trade them for anything will be long since passed) everything it's giving me is absolutely worthless, and in order to trade i have to have something actually worth trading for. I'm getting really tired of them insisting that older items have a reduced chance of dropping when that's blatantly untrue. If anything the chance of getting older stuff is actually increased, quite dramatically. (and yes, i know about how loot pool odds are inherently worsened by having more stuff added to them. I've taken that into account.) My guess is either they tried to increase the odds in favor of the new stuff like they said but it somehow got glitched and either did nothing or made it worse instead, or they did successfully alter the odds but didn't alter it enough to compensate for the growing loot pool issue. Even so i still feel like percentage-wise i'm getting WAY more jester's tail bells, conjurer hats/staffs, deadly reflections, and flame ribbons specifically than i ever have before. And judging by the numbers i'm seeing reported i'm doing better than most! It's infuriating and the handful of mysteriously lucky people jumping in on every thread like they own the place to humblebrag about their loot, while simultaneously treating said good fortune as the universal experience and therefore an excuse for dismissing everyone that's annoyed as haters that just want an excuse to be upset and/or unlucky outliers with confirmation bias, calling everyone whiny entitled babies that are ungrateful for all the work the poor programmers do for us while implying heavily that we're all just too lazy to really work for anything and just aren't getting stuff because we're not really trying, complaining about people not being "positive" enough all the time, and acting surprised when barging into a thread full of unhappy people just to tell them they're not allowed to be upset gets people annoyed at them, all wrapped up in a thin veil of fake-polite "i'm the reasonable party here" language, is not helping any. You can't say anything even slightly critical of any part of the game for any reason without people automatically taking it as some kind of personal attack on the admins & people that disagree and berating you for being "ungrateful" and "hating". You have to preface every single thing that sounds even slightly like dissatisfaction, annoyance, or criticism with a mile of text groveling for mercy outlining your love and undying appreciation for the devs and all that they do in perfect, religious-text-like detail and even then you'll still get tons of accusations and fallout over it. People always say "there's a difference between criticism and just being mean" and "it's fine in reasonable amounts" which sounds great in theory, but in practice it gets thrown indiscriminately at literally everything as a way to silence anyone who disagrees with whoever's using the phrase with the bonus of making them look like the good guy. This community's increasingly hostile "devs-can-do-no-wrong-you're-just-ungrateful-keep-smiling-always-life-is-perfect-it's-inherently-immoral-to-criticize,-admit-dissatisfaction-with,-admit-passive-dislike-for,-or-say-anything-slightly-nonpositive-about-anything-because-someone-in-the-world-might-disagree" attitude reminds me of, and i do NOT throw this comparison around lightly, the Star Citizen fandom. Fr fandom hasn't to my knowledge tried to kill anyone over criticizing their developers yet, but the way it's going i could totally see that happening in the future. People in the offsite side of the community certainly seem to like throwing death threats around over the tiniest things and i suspect the language filter is the only thing that keeps it from openly happening on-site too. tl:dr something's wacky in the rng and fr community doesn't have any less issues than any other community on the internet, it's just better at hiding them [/quote]

....Ouch. Harsh. I admit, yes, the drop rates and percentages of what you get is... Euhh...
Not to mention Swipp ALWAYS does that SAME. OLD. Leaf bug/Mirror trade, Sometimes even doing two chest trades at a time... Only for BOTH to be the bugs/mirrors. I have way too many cuckoos, and of course, less than 10 bugs and mirros rip show some variation swipp and co.

ugh mood. i have like 3 stacks of cuckoos and 2 stacks of those orb things

[quote name="hamkid" date="2018-12-25 18:29:09" ] ....Ouch. Harsh. I admit, yes, the drop rates and percentages of what you get is... Euhh... Not to mention Swipp ALWAYS does that SAME. OLD. Leaf bug/Mirror trade, Sometimes even doing two chest trades at a time... Only for BOTH to be the bugs/mirrors. I have way too many cuckoos, and of course, less than 10 bugs and mirros rip show some variation swipp and co. [/quote] I need the Crystal Ball trade to show up....I have almost 2 stacks of them....

Woah. That's a LOT of dedication.... I feel bad now about getting that amount of eggs from around 15 (probably less, haven't counted to that's an estimate) chests. I wish you luck for the rest of NoN.

There's always some issues and something to improve. But.
There's other ways to get the NotN stuff than just grinding Coli with bleeding fingers. (=if playing isn't fun, it's probably time to stop or at least ease up a bit)

And there's no quarantee everyone gets same amounts, or that player X certainly gets to make big bank with stuff they get.
We might just as well demand that everything is directly given to us in Hoard or that the rng is taken out and you'll get certain item each time you open certain amount of chests, or have everything sold to us in MP. Pay to win style.

But chin up - it's just third day. With random chance it's pointless to count drop rates of item X, especially from relatively small amounts like 100-200 chests. :)
Maybe there'll be some days during NotN when you get lots of stuff you are after.

Yesterday gathering gave me 1 chest with old familiar in it, today I got 6 chests and bought 5 more, and got 1 new familiar + 4 eggs.

i watched.


-the fake aeq

Yeah, the leafbug/mirror trade is starting to get on my nerves as well. I don't have other NotNs to compare this one to, but it doesn't seem like chests are plentiful at all. I haven't gotten any Nocturne breed change scrolls. I don't want to complain, though, because I know the staff works hard and I love the new apparel.

@PlagueMaw I think it is pretty clear by my first post that I do not think this is "random" at all. So many people are complaining about how absolutely horrible the droprates are. We can't just ignore that. It has been 5 years, and the devs still do not know how they want their events to work. They literally change it on us every year. And they expect us to be okay with it. This is not luck. This is how the droprates were coded. Absolutely abysmal. You can't seriously tell me that it's normal to get 5 eggs from 113 chests....

Anyway. The anger is not targeted at you. It is targeted at the poor management of the creators, and their lack of communication when their userbase is clearly upset about a one time a year event being ruined.

Still better than the first NotN
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