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How would a dragon use weapons? I’ve been thinking about this question for a long time. Here’s my take on it: Swords and spear-like weapons are mostly, if not entirely, out of the question. Not because dragons don’t have opposable thumbs — most breeds actually [i]do[/i] — but for other reasons. Swords because to use them, they need to be held constantly during combat, which makes them impossible to use for quadrupeds — any dragon species but Wildclaws would be unable to hold a sword in their talons while still having a full range of motion. It also isn’t very practical to have a dragon hold a sword in their mouths, with their tails wrapped around the hilts, or with their wing talons; all three just end up being unnecessarily awkward. The first leaves dragons too susceptible to mouth injury if their grip on the hilt slips or if they clench too tightly on the blade with their teeth, and getting injured in a place necessary for consuming food and preventing starvation isn’t a great concept. Not to mention how close the blade would be to their eyes, which just... makes me anxious. The second — not all breeds of dragon have powerful tails that could hold a (probably) heavy sword aloft for an extended amount of time, and the third just gives you such a limited range of attacks and motion that it’s downright impractical. I, somehow, doubt swords would just be produced for Wildclaws. Spears, and all weapons with a similar layout (polearms), are unrealistic as well. If a dragon were to use one in close range, it wouldn’t work for the same reasons as a sword. In the context of a projectile weapon, I still can’t see the front legs/whatever the dragon would use to hold the weapon arrange themselves in a way to resemble the arms of humans when throwing a spear enough to give the spear any real distance. I know their legs/paws are probably anatomically similar to our arms/hands in some sense of the word, but dragons being quadruped makes this feel... awkward in a way that would impact the functionality of the spear. I guess you could make a case for this, but I just can’t see it happening; and same logic applies to Wildclaws — they probably could use them, but I’m assuming an entirely different range of weapons/weapon layouts would be invented and produced for just one species. I could somewhat see bows and arrows, but not exactly in the conventional sense. What I’m envisioning is a dragon laying down, the bow laid horizontally across the ground, being aimed by tilting it up and down, the string being pulled back with the claw that wouldn’t be steadying the bow. I know absolutely nothing about archery so I have no idea if this is how bows/arrows could work, but I feel like both would be modified to make that possible. So what do I propose for weapons, since I’ve basically ruled out everything on the site? I do have one concept, but it’s a melee weapon: [item=Venomscale Wing Guard] Put this on a dragon’s wing, make sure the delicate parts of it are protected from blunt force injury, and boom, you have yourself a club. Just whacking another dragon with the part of the wing it covers would be enough; they don’t have to perform fancy motions with their wing to make it work, they just have to swing their wings towards their opponent. If you can get the spiky bits to dig under the flesh and rip, even better. I feel like this is the best design for a weapon used by dragons; it can be used by all dragons, even Bogsneaks and Snappers — you don’t have to fly to use it — it follows their anatomy in a believable way, and it could cause immense harm, even denting armor that would stop a blade. Only downside it that it could weigh down the wings and inhibit flight, but we have no idea how light the material is — it could just be hard or rely on the spikes to cause maximum damage. What are your guys’ thoughts on this? I’m by no means a weapons expert, I’m just trying to rationalize this with what I hope is common sense. If there’s anything that doesn’t make sense here I’m willing to discuss it.
How would a dragon use weapons? I’ve been thinking about this question for a long time. Here’s my take on it:

Swords and spear-like weapons are mostly, if not entirely, out of the question. Not because dragons don’t have opposable thumbs — most breeds actually do — but for other reasons.

Swords because to use them, they need to be held constantly during combat, which makes them impossible to use for quadrupeds — any dragon species but Wildclaws would be unable to hold a sword in their talons while still having a full range of motion. It also isn’t very practical to have a dragon hold a sword in their mouths, with their tails wrapped around the hilts, or with their wing talons; all three just end up being unnecessarily awkward. The first leaves dragons too susceptible to mouth injury if their grip on the hilt slips or if they clench too tightly on the blade with their teeth, and getting injured in a place necessary for consuming food and preventing starvation isn’t a great concept. Not to mention how close the blade would be to their eyes, which just... makes me anxious. The second — not all breeds of dragon have powerful tails that could hold a (probably) heavy sword aloft for an extended amount of time, and the third just gives you such a limited range of attacks and motion that it’s downright impractical. I, somehow, doubt swords would just be produced for Wildclaws.

Spears, and all weapons with a similar layout (polearms), are unrealistic as well. If a dragon were to use one in close range, it wouldn’t work for the same reasons as a sword. In the context of a projectile weapon, I still can’t see the front legs/whatever the dragon would use to hold the weapon arrange themselves in a way to resemble the arms of humans when throwing a spear enough to give the spear any real distance. I know their legs/paws are probably anatomically similar to our arms/hands in some sense of the word, but dragons being quadruped makes this feel... awkward in a way that would impact the functionality of the spear. I guess you could make a case for this, but I just can’t see it happening; and same logic applies to Wildclaws — they probably could use them, but I’m assuming an entirely different range of weapons/weapon layouts would be invented and produced for just one species.

I could somewhat see bows and arrows, but not exactly in the conventional sense. What I’m envisioning is a dragon laying down, the bow laid horizontally across the ground, being aimed by tilting it up and down, the string being pulled back with the claw that wouldn’t be steadying the bow. I know absolutely nothing about archery so I have no idea if this is how bows/arrows could work, but I feel like both would be modified to make that possible.

So what do I propose for weapons, since I’ve basically ruled out everything on the site? I do have one concept, but it’s a melee weapon:

Venomscale Wing Guard

Put this on a dragon’s wing, make sure the delicate parts of it are protected from blunt force injury, and boom, you have yourself a club. Just whacking another dragon with the part of the wing it covers would be enough; they don’t have to perform fancy motions with their wing to make it work, they just have to swing their wings towards their opponent. If you can get the spiky bits to dig under the flesh and rip, even better.

I feel like this is the best design for a weapon used by dragons; it can be used by all dragons, even Bogsneaks and Snappers — you don’t have to fly to use it — it follows their anatomy in a believable way, and it could cause immense harm, even denting armor that would stop a blade. Only downside it that it could weigh down the wings and inhibit flight, but we have no idea how light the material is — it could just be hard or rely on the spikes to cause maximum damage.

What are your guys’ thoughts on this? I’m by no means a weapons expert, I’m just trying to rationalize this with what I hope is common sense. If there’s anything that doesn’t make sense here I’m willing to discuss it.
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Something like these could also count a weapon maybe? Probably not for all breeds though. [item=untamed claws]
Something like these could also count a weapon maybe? Probably not for all breeds though.
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I'm not sure Wildclaws could effectively use a sword. Their arms look too short to get much range of movement with it.
I'm not sure Wildclaws could effectively use a sword. Their arms look too short to get much range of movement with it.
[url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=36601096] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/366011/36601096_350.png[/img] [/url] *cough cough* I'd say so.

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*cough cough* I'd say so.
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So throwing darts could be a thing for dragons with stronger, more flexible tails. Like, the really long pre-bow and arrow darts that get launched off a shorter stick thing that humans use to give their arms more reach. It would be easier (I imagine) for a prehensile tail to swing something up than to make the directly forward motion of a spear throw. Or other projectiles that could be launched with sideways swings of the tail. Or some sort of flail/ball and chain attached to the tail. Just... tail weapons. Other than that... armor and claw extensions would have to be your way to go. Things that enhanced the body’s natural defenses.
So throwing darts could be a thing for dragons with stronger, more flexible tails. Like, the really long pre-bow and arrow darts that get launched off a shorter stick thing that humans use to give their arms more reach. It would be easier (I imagine) for a prehensile tail to swing something up than to make the directly forward motion of a spear throw. Or other projectiles that could be launched with sideways swings of the tail. Or some sort of flail/ball and chain attached to the tail. Just... tail weapons. Other than that... armor and claw extensions would have to be your way to go. Things that enhanced the body’s natural defenses.
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Yeah, handheld weapons for four-legged animals is a bit silly. They're nice to have for fandragons, though. The only exception I can think of would be if they were used in flight? I can actually picture a dragon clutching a spear in its hands/feet diving at a target and using the momentum to drive the spear in, kind of like how a falcon basically drop-kicks other birds out of the sky. >> [img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/bCZTGeBD33gCk/giphy.gif[/img] (so rude???) Or using a sword/slashing weapon for a swooping drive-by. Pretend the plane has a blade taped to the bottom and the ground is a juicy steak. [emoji=meat size=1] [img]http://cyber-breeze.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/19.gif[/img]
Yeah, handheld weapons for four-legged animals is a bit silly. They're nice to have for fandragons, though. The only exception I can think of would be if they were used in flight? I can actually picture a dragon clutching a spear in its hands/feet diving at a target and using the momentum to drive the spear in, kind of like how a falcon basically drop-kicks other birds out of the sky. >>

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Or using a sword/slashing weapon for a swooping drive-by. Pretend the plane has a blade taped to the bottom and the ground is a juicy steak.

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this kid here uses her shadowscale armor to fight (although her two wildclaw coli teammates do use a bow/shadow scale wingplates and a katana/furious claws) [url=http://flightrising.com/main.php?dragon=16062698] [img]http://flightrising.com/rendern/350/160627/16062698_350.png[/img] [/url] i've wished for a while that we had blades that go along wing edges... and chakrams, twirled on dexterous tailtips and let fly, or just chakri (smaller ones) worn as bracelets on legs and tails. since they were thrown vertically, i could imagine them being used well by dragons?
this kid here uses her shadowscale armor to fight (although her two wildclaw coli teammates do use a bow/shadow scale wingplates and a katana/furious claws)


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i've wished for a while that we had blades that go along wing edges...
and chakrams, twirled on dexterous tailtips and let fly, or just chakri (smaller ones) worn as bracelets on legs and tails. since they were thrown vertically, i could imagine them being used well by dragons?
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i think dragons wear swords and bows in a cosplay way ,they wouldn't use the beastclan's weapons ...just look fancy in them
i think dragons wear swords and bows in a cosplay way ,they wouldn't use the beastclan's weapons ...just look fancy in them
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like this [img]https://i.imgur.com/EO2cDjo.jpg[/img] i think most weapons are just cosmetic though. swords and spears the scale of a guardian or imperial dragon would be enormous and weigh tons, and when u have huge claws and access to powerful magic, why would u need weapons anyways?
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i think most weapons are just cosmetic though. swords and spears the scale of a guardian or imperial dragon would be enormous and weigh tons, and when u have huge claws and access to powerful magic, why would u need weapons anyways?
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I think most of the swords and weapons like that are there for cosmetics (maybe a dragon saw beastclan using them?) Depending on the breed the bows could work:

I'm assuming most breeds are shooting by sitting on their hind legs and using their front legs to do everything else
Bogsneaks, Guardians, and Mirrors-The bow would have to be a weird size but they could (Guardian's fins would make it hard to shoot but they might be able to move them?)
Coatl-Arms are too short and their feathers would get in the way so they couldn't pull it back as far as needed
Fae-Maybe, their neck is really long so they'd have to move it in a really weird way
Imperial-Similar to Coatls but instead of feathers getting in the way it's their neck being Too Long
Nocturnes-Maybe, neck frills might make it hard to but they could
Pearlcatchers-Might be able to but they have a really weirdly shaped neck/chest so it would be hard
Skydancers-Similar to Pearlcatchers but it would be easier for them to (they also have a long neck so there might be a similar situation to fae)
Snappers-Nope
Tundras-Probably could but there's too much fur for it to be safe
Ridgebacks, Spirals, and Wildclaws-All have one explanation for why they cant: Tiny arms, long neck (also Ridgebacks would be better off just running into the enemy with all those spikes)
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TL;DR: I didn't realize how many breeds have really long necks

i wanted to rant about bows and dragons lmao
I think most of the swords and weapons like that are there for cosmetics (maybe a dragon saw beastclan using them?) Depending on the breed the bows could work:

I'm assuming most breeds are shooting by sitting on their hind legs and using their front legs to do everything else
Bogsneaks, Guardians, and Mirrors-The bow would have to be a weird size but they could (Guardian's fins would make it hard to shoot but they might be able to move them?)
Coatl-Arms are too short and their feathers would get in the way so they couldn't pull it back as far as needed
Fae-Maybe, their neck is really long so they'd have to move it in a really weird way
Imperial-Similar to Coatls but instead of feathers getting in the way it's their neck being Too Long
Nocturnes-Maybe, neck frills might make it hard to but they could
Pearlcatchers-Might be able to but they have a really weirdly shaped neck/chest so it would be hard
Skydancers-Similar to Pearlcatchers but it would be easier for them to (they also have a long neck so there might be a similar situation to fae)
Snappers-Nope
Tundras-Probably could but there's too much fur for it to be safe
Ridgebacks, Spirals, and Wildclaws-All have one explanation for why they cant: Tiny arms, long neck (also Ridgebacks would be better off just running into the enemy with all those spikes)
Source: I'm an archer yeet

TL;DR: I didn't realize how many breeds have really long necks

i wanted to rant about bows and dragons lmao

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