Suggestions

Yes, I know it's been suggested lots of times, the threads I've read didn't have details they were just all "I'm suggesting this!" Need to ask why do we want Nest Renting? Because it can be dangerous to send dragons to another user just for their nest! I myself am a very paranoid person. 4 things can happen when you send dragons to a rented nest and 1 reason not to rent nests currently: [center] 1. The person leaves FR without any notice and you've lost your dragons! (Once they leave your lair, they technically aren't yours anymore D8 ) 2. The person decides they want to keep your pretty dragons for themselves! Oh Noes! While this could be punishable ask 'scamming' It is still stressful when stuff like this happens. (once again once the dragons leave your lair, they aren't yours anymore by FR standards.) 3. The person accidentally exalts your dragons instead of breeding them. It happens... (or they do it on purpose but meh, lets give people some sort of possibility of doubt yes?) 4. They decide to keep all off spring, refusing to give you your babies! 5. Lair Space! You may not want other people dragons clogging up your lair space! [/center] I have details and ideas for nest renting. First off: A link to Nest Rentals in the side bar. (or just have a link in Nesting Grounds to go rent a nest.. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221233497816301568/301855307167170571/Rent_Nest_Idea_1.png[/img] If you have rented out a nest, in your Nesting grounds page it will say "rented" instead of "incubate" or "hatch". Now for this, people leave FR for a long time, and this will clog up your nest! How do we fix that?! A timer on the eggs. 2 weeks after the nest has been deemed "Ready to Hatch" you can hatch the nest yourself and they become yours. So if you want your dragons, don't leave them in a rented nest for more than 2 weeks, or your landlord can claim your dragons! (Kind of like, if you don't pay rent and just leave your stuff behind in the apartment, the landlord can do what every they like with your stuff.) [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221233497816301568/301855331049406465/Rent_Nest_Idea_2.png[/img] A Button to rent a nest, a button to set up your own nest to rent out. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221233497816301568/301855343456026624/Rent_Nest_Idea_3.png[/img] Choose a Nest to Rent Out. If you have your dragons in a nest it will say something like "In Use" if it is Vacant it would say something like "Put up for Rent", "Available for Rent" is for one you already have listed, and one that is already Rented out "Rented Out". I have no Image for the next image so.. Next step is choosing your prices. Now to help keep the economy the site could put a tax on it like it does in the AH. (runs from rotten food being thrown at her) Next part! [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221233497816301568/301855356143927299/Rent_Nest_Idea_4.png[/img] If you are looking to rent, you need to choose the element you want! Since I'm in shadow I have shadow 'greyed' out to show that I can't choose shadow nests. I have my own shadow nests why would i want to rent another shadow nest. But say I wasn't shadow and was wanting a shadow nest. Click shadow and be taken to a page like this: (I started getting bored so it isn't as pretty) [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221233497816301568/301855366881476618/Rent_Nest_Idea_5.png[/img] Choose a user to rent from! From there it would be similar to your own Nesting Ground except you are shown 1 nest. Add your dragons and start incubating! Remember to hatch them as soon as they are ready, because after 2 or so weeks the EGGS can be taken by the landlord. You really are only renting for the 1 week so if you leave them in for longer or just leave the site, why should the nest owner have to suffer? If you end up not incubating by the time the nest rental time ends, the landlord of the nest can start incubating instead, so they can hatch the eggs and free up the nest. I showed friends on discord these images.. one of them thought it was actually a new feature ^^, haha I wish. [b]Other Suggestions to Add from Other users:[/b] [quote name="DragonSage" date=2017-04-12 18:29:00] Personally if nest rental is added, if the nest isn't hatched in lets say two weeks; then the nest should automatically be discarded to free the nest up (the renter keeps the rental fee). The player who rented the nest would get the number of eggs discarded added to the account setting that was left over from egg rot as a penalty (it doesn't do anything really) and the dragons who were on the nest must finish their cooldown before being bred again. This way there isn't any argument about 'stealing eggs' and the renter gets their nest back with no issue [/quote] [quote name="Dreamnorn" date=2017-04-12 19:32:19] This is my favorite suggestion themed around nest rentals so far. I've seen quite a few and this one is well-thought-out and ensures that neither party gets screwed over if something happens. However, I request some clarification regarding the incubation process. You've made it clear that if User A is renting a nest from User B, then it's still User A's job to incubate the nest within the two week grace period. This part I understand and approve of, but how will that work? Would they have to travel to User B's nesting grounds to incubate it? Do they click on their own nesting grounds and see it there under the nests of their own element? Something else? If it were me, I'd make another tab to the nesting grounds: "Clan Nests" and "Rented Nests" or something like that. "Clan Nests" would be the nests you own, regardless of whether they're being used for your own purposes or rented by other users. Meanwhile, "Rented Nests" would show your dragons in the nest of another person's lair and will allow you to incubate them without going through too much trouble or having a lot of visual clutter on one page. That may be a fair compromise; however, I'm neither a web nor a layout designer so take this idea with a grain of salt. Overall, I thoroughly support this and would be delighted to use such a service if it ever became a thing! [/quote] [quote name="Jemadar" date=2017-04-12 19:48:33] Also, though this may be a bit more difficult to code, but potentially not, have it, in order to make sure there is room in the renter's lair, that in order to rent a nest they must have 5 slots open (for a 5 egg nest) and once the nest is laid, they lose the use of a certain number of slots equal to the number of eggs (so a person with a three egg nest, would lose three slots). That way if the owner of the nest needs to clear out said nest once the eggs are ready, then there will be no issue of space. I don't think this would be very popular of a suggestion, but this could prevent 'nest limbo' when/if someone is consistently filling up their lairs to the brim and not accepting the eggs once they are ready, forcing the owner of the nest to take the loss of one nest for two weeks.. [/quote] [quote name="StarriannaFlare" date=2017-04-13 13:18:12] @Demonskid Fodder breeding was actually one of the reasons I had. XD Breeders make up a certain amount of the workforce during Dom battles; both from in-Flight and out-of-Flight. If nest renting the way you've described it becomes possible, there won't be anything to stop people from using nests in other Flights for fodder anyway. ^^' Closing the option to rent from your own Flight just makes a large portion of nests unavailable to fodder breeders(especially huge Flights like Arcane and Wind), meaning they take up more space in other Flights that could be for projects and hatcheries. I like that your suggestion allows the person who rented the nest to do the incubating, rather than the person who owns the nest. This means snipers, trainers, organizers, and other users whose nests might otherwise not be used during certain times could set theirs up for rent and forget about it, rather than having to check it every day if they did let someone else use them. If the users renting from them were fodder breeders in their own Flight, most might see that as a bonus. There's also hatcheries where one user will coordinate the pairs, and others will simply be there for nests, even from the same Flight, in case the spaces fill up. Not being able to rent from their own Flight just means doing things the old-fashioned way for part of their business. Not a huge hindrance, but annoying probably. Also; on the subject of hatcheries, being able to set up private nest rentals might be a good idea(similar to the private auctions), just as a quick way to rent from/to someone you know, rather than searching for their name on a list of every renter in a Flight. :) While I don't think anyone is going to rent from their own Flight to get a specific element for breeding their dream dragon, I don't think that means the option should be closed off. ^^ For example, what reason is there to sell a chest for more than it's contents are worth? Why do people even buy them at those prices? It doesn't have to make sense; the system allows it because chests are items, and all item can be sold. The users decide the prices. What's the point in renting nests from your own element when you can wait and use your own nests? Doesn't matter, all nests should be rentable, regardless. The users renting will decide which Flight and why. ^^ That last paragraph might not make much sense, since chests have nothing to do with nests, and the circumstances are a little different, but I wanted to share the logic that was going on in my head, lol. X3 [/quote] [quote name="luccamajere" date=2017-04-13 14:06:45] I would say a user should be able to rent nests in their own flight provided they have their own nests maxed out. Otherwise, it will be used to get around buying expansions. [/quote] [quote name="RLisa" date=2017-04-15 04:20:59] I would love this feature. Currently nest rentals are tricky and this would fix the problem for everyone who does not use nest rentals because they don't want to risk losing a pair ( like me) I think it would be the best that when you rent a nest, the dragons stay in your lair so it won't take space for the landlord in case the renter needs a longer time for hatching the nest. And I think it would be a nice feature if the landlord needs to confirm the rental before nesting starts. Like a notification; user X would like to rent your nest, click here to confirm the rental. I can imagine people change their minds about putting a nest up for rent so this way you can decide about the nest rental before it starts. EDIT maybe the landlord should also have the option to decide if they use a 1 week or 2 week maximum of nest rental [/quote] [quote name="Demonskid" date=2017-04-16 09:16:11] @Dreamnorn They'd have to click rent then they would add the dragons to the nest, and if they just click rent and not put dragons on the nest, that leaves the nest rented but not in use. [b]Unless the system asks you to pick the 2 dragons you want on the nest before being able to hit rent... There for the nest won't be empty. [/b]But that won't stop people from just adding dragons and just leaving them sit there, but the nest would be considered in use and after so long, the nest owner could incubate and hatch the eggs (where ever the eggs go, after that will be up to the site at this point seeing as there will be 3 options: 1.Hatchlings go to the nest Owner due to being abandoned by 'parents' 2.Hatchlings follow their parents home 3. Eggs get discarded all together) Which puts into question "When should the nest holder start incubating?" (which is why I like the idea of a set time set by the site that only allows the owner of the nest to start incubating after so long.) Or at least that is how I see the unused nests.. [/quote] [quote name="Jemadar" date=2017-04-16 09:45:57] I like the idea of the nest not being able to be rented until the dragons are selected (much like how the nesting grounds work, you have to select two parents, then hit breed) As for a period before the owner of the nest can start incubating, that is hard for me to determine, I would say maybe 2-5 days. (or basically two days into the nesting period but not longer than the nesting period takes). I am not fond of the idea of not being able to incubate the eggs until they would normally be ready to hatch, but this would give people who want their dragons hatched on specific days 2-5 days leeway (depending on how long the period is) before the owner of the nest would be able to 'hatch' them. IE, User A wants the nest hatched on a certain day. They are uncertain if they can remember it, so they want a bit of leeway, so they rent it 7 days before the date they want. This would give them two days leeway to forget to incubate, but after those two days ,the owner of the nest, if User A forgets, can incubate and hatch, but they would still be hatched on the correct day. (hopefully if my math is correct, the incubating/hatching lengths always confuse me) Maybe 3 days is a good compromise. It would mean that users who want certain dates, need to be a bit more careful in selecting when they rent nests but if they time it right, the owner of the nest cannot hatch the nests before that date. [/quote] [quote name="Jemadar" date=2017-04-16 13:19:26] That is one reason why I suggested a bit earlier, that in renting a nest, the renter would have lair space 'reserved' for the hatchlings. They must have 5 spaces to rent a nest and then the number of eggs they get are the number of spaces reserved (so if they get a one egg nest, one space is reserved). That way there would always be spaces for the nest, and a renter couldn't use 'no room' to guilt a nest owner into holding that nest for them. (I was also sort of operating under this premise, or it could just be that the owner of the nest gets a message that there is no lair space to hatch same as if they tried to hatch a nest when they didn't have lair space in their own lair) [/quote]

@Buffykiev

it wouldn't be their dragons, just the egg/babies the landlord keeps, since the parents aren't in the landlords lair, they can't keep the dragons but the eggs are in the landlords nest, so the eggs end up becoming the landlords property if the nest has exceeded the renting time. If someone contacts the Nest Landlord a head of time 'in case of emergancy' and ask for the nest to be left alone just in case and they come to an agreement.

As for the whole can't incubate thing, there are many ways to get on FR with out a pc/internet at home. if the eggs aren't incubated by the renter, after 2 weeks the landlord should be able to start incubation. As for RL problems, if they can't manage a mail to the landlord explaining why they can't get on for a while then there is nothing one can do. They can just try breeding their dragons again when they get time/net back. (since they don't lose their dragons just the eggs and rental funds)


would that clear those issues up a bit? o3o

(I'll add the incubation part to the first post) ovo

@Buffykiev

Sorry for the miss understanding and thanks for pointing out that i needed to clarify it more. I'm bad with explaining things sometimes. ^-^

Personally if nest rental is added, if the nest isn't hatched in lets say two weeks; then the nest should automatically be discarded to free the nest up (the renter keeps the rental fee). The player who rented the nest would get the number of eggs discarded added to the account setting that was left over from egg rot as a penalty (it doesn't do anything really) and the dragons who were on the nest must finish their cooldown before being bred again.

This way there isn't any argument about 'stealing eggs' and the renter gets their nest back with no issue

I personally wouldn't see it as 'egg stealing' if the eggs have been left there for 2 weeks or so, mainly because I see it like actual apartment renting where if you abandon your things the landlord gets to do what ever with them, but I do see where some people would get upset at the landlord and causing drama over it.

I also like the idea of getting use out of the discarded egg section in the profile. I added your suggestion to the first post.


@DragonSage

@Demonskid considering how many players attempt to control the offspring after they've sold them ((see all the force names on unnamed exalts for example)) it wouldn't surprise me that some players who didn't hatch a nest in the time frame (for whatever reasons such as real life cropping up, not having lair space, etc) would attempt to claim the offspring back, and if the owner of the rented nest refuses they' could be accused of stealing, even if it was a site feature. As such I'd prefer to avoid that issue all together by just discarding nests automatically after a certain time.

This is my favorite suggestion themed around nest rentals so far. I've seen quite a few and this one is well-thought-out and ensures that neither party gets screwed over if something happens.

However, I request some clarification regarding the incubation process. You've made it clear that if User A is renting a nest from User B, then it's still User A's job to incubate the nest within the two week grace period. This part I understand and approve of, but how will that work? Would they have to travel to User B's nesting grounds to incubate it? Do they click on their own nesting grounds and see it there under the nests of their own element? Something else?

If it were me, I'd make another tab to the nesting grounds: "Clan Nests" and "Rented Nests" or something like that. "Clan Nests" would be the nests you own, regardless of whether they're being used for your own purposes or rented by other users. Meanwhile, "Rented Nests" would show your dragons in the nest of another person's lair and will allow you to incubate them without going through too much trouble or having a lot of visual clutter on one page. That may be a fair compromise; however, I'm neither a web nor a layout designer so take this idea with a grain of salt.

Overall, I thoroughly support this and would be delighted to use such a service if it ever became a thing!