I sort of thought about this for a while and I propose since there is a Life rune in one of the fairgrounds games maybe there should be a Life element followed with maybe a new species of dragon? just a suggestion heh. I thought it would be pretty cool though. I also thought that the dragon of the element could be named the Lifebringer, like since there's The Tidelord, Shadowbinder, ect.
TOPIC | New Element and Dragon species?
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I sort of thought about this for a while and I propose since there is a Life rune in one of the fairgrounds games maybe there should be a Life element followed with maybe a new species of dragon? just a suggestion heh. I thought it would be pretty cool though. I also thought that the dragon of the element could be named the Lifebringer, like since there's The Tidelord, Shadowbinder, ect.
While it sounds interesting, as Sopheroo said, life is already covered by other flights.
Plus, there are problems with bringing a new element, which would be tied to a flight most likely, into the game.
The biggest problem would be the fact that it would be extremely unfair to those players who have already used their free flight change or cannot choose to have their progen's eyes the color of the deity because they couldn't choose the flight from the beginning.
Next, we already have 11 flights to choose from, and that can mean that some flights are very small, while other flights tend to be very big. Adding a new flight into this would not help matters at all.
Then we also have the problem of the holiday. We already have Night of the Nocturne in December (which I like) as a two week holiday because people didn't want an elemental holiday in december, due to all the activities that are generally going on in Real life at that time.
Not only do I not really want to lose Night of the Nocturne, as I said, I like it, but it wouldn't really make sense to add a new flight in, and I can guarantee that with Christmas and New Years happening most likely during the week of the festival, we would be seeing a lot of skins oriented towards those concepts.
The last thing is that we ARE going to be getting new species of dragons (or breeds) it is just slow going because they not only have to draw the bases and put them into the program for the genes, but they also have to draw the apparel around two of those bases and we have a LOT of apparel. FR seems to want to make apparel universal, which I am completely in favor of, and that means slower going at releasing new breeds.
Also, while most breeds do have 'deity' alignment, we don't need a new element to get new breeds. Bogsneaks don't actually have an 'deity alignment' due to their nature as a baldwin accident. so, the two concepts aren't linked, and while we probably won't be getting any more flights or elements, we will be getting new breeds (hopefully soon, maybe the sort of event we have going on with the Tidelord missing and an Emperor raging in Light will lead up to a new breed, though they said no... but maybe that was only for Bounty of the Elements? Sorry for rambling...)
Also, on the Runestones thing, I believe that somewhere the admins have said that the runes don't just correspond to elements, but rather concepts as well as the elements, so while there is a Life Rune, that doesn't mean that Life isn't already covered by existing flights.
Plus, there are problems with bringing a new element, which would be tied to a flight most likely, into the game.
The biggest problem would be the fact that it would be extremely unfair to those players who have already used their free flight change or cannot choose to have their progen's eyes the color of the deity because they couldn't choose the flight from the beginning.
Next, we already have 11 flights to choose from, and that can mean that some flights are very small, while other flights tend to be very big. Adding a new flight into this would not help matters at all.
Then we also have the problem of the holiday. We already have Night of the Nocturne in December (which I like) as a two week holiday because people didn't want an elemental holiday in december, due to all the activities that are generally going on in Real life at that time.
Not only do I not really want to lose Night of the Nocturne, as I said, I like it, but it wouldn't really make sense to add a new flight in, and I can guarantee that with Christmas and New Years happening most likely during the week of the festival, we would be seeing a lot of skins oriented towards those concepts.
The last thing is that we ARE going to be getting new species of dragons (or breeds) it is just slow going because they not only have to draw the bases and put them into the program for the genes, but they also have to draw the apparel around two of those bases and we have a LOT of apparel. FR seems to want to make apparel universal, which I am completely in favor of, and that means slower going at releasing new breeds.
Also, while most breeds do have 'deity' alignment, we don't need a new element to get new breeds. Bogsneaks don't actually have an 'deity alignment' due to their nature as a baldwin accident. so, the two concepts aren't linked, and while we probably won't be getting any more flights or elements, we will be getting new breeds (hopefully soon, maybe the sort of event we have going on with the Tidelord missing and an Emperor raging in Light will lead up to a new breed, though they said no... but maybe that was only for Bounty of the Elements? Sorry for rambling...)
Also, on the Runestones thing, I believe that somewhere the admins have said that the runes don't just correspond to elements, but rather concepts as well as the elements, so while there is a Life Rune, that doesn't mean that Life isn't already covered by existing flights.
While it sounds interesting, as Sopheroo said, life is already covered by other flights.
Plus, there are problems with bringing a new element, which would be tied to a flight most likely, into the game.
The biggest problem would be the fact that it would be extremely unfair to those players who have already used their free flight change or cannot choose to have their progen's eyes the color of the deity because they couldn't choose the flight from the beginning.
Next, we already have 11 flights to choose from, and that can mean that some flights are very small, while other flights tend to be very big. Adding a new flight into this would not help matters at all.
Then we also have the problem of the holiday. We already have Night of the Nocturne in December (which I like) as a two week holiday because people didn't want an elemental holiday in december, due to all the activities that are generally going on in Real life at that time.
Not only do I not really want to lose Night of the Nocturne, as I said, I like it, but it wouldn't really make sense to add a new flight in, and I can guarantee that with Christmas and New Years happening most likely during the week of the festival, we would be seeing a lot of skins oriented towards those concepts.
The last thing is that we ARE going to be getting new species of dragons (or breeds) it is just slow going because they not only have to draw the bases and put them into the program for the genes, but they also have to draw the apparel around two of those bases and we have a LOT of apparel. FR seems to want to make apparel universal, which I am completely in favor of, and that means slower going at releasing new breeds.
Also, while most breeds do have 'deity' alignment, we don't need a new element to get new breeds. Bogsneaks don't actually have an 'deity alignment' due to their nature as a baldwin accident. so, the two concepts aren't linked, and while we probably won't be getting any more flights or elements, we will be getting new breeds (hopefully soon, maybe the sort of event we have going on with the Tidelord missing and an Emperor raging in Light will lead up to a new breed, though they said no... but maybe that was only for Bounty of the Elements? Sorry for rambling...)
Also, on the Runestones thing, I believe that somewhere the admins have said that the runes don't just correspond to elements, but rather concepts as well as the elements, so while there is a Life Rune, that doesn't mean that Life isn't already covered by existing flights.
Plus, there are problems with bringing a new element, which would be tied to a flight most likely, into the game.
The biggest problem would be the fact that it would be extremely unfair to those players who have already used their free flight change or cannot choose to have their progen's eyes the color of the deity because they couldn't choose the flight from the beginning.
Next, we already have 11 flights to choose from, and that can mean that some flights are very small, while other flights tend to be very big. Adding a new flight into this would not help matters at all.
Then we also have the problem of the holiday. We already have Night of the Nocturne in December (which I like) as a two week holiday because people didn't want an elemental holiday in december, due to all the activities that are generally going on in Real life at that time.
Not only do I not really want to lose Night of the Nocturne, as I said, I like it, but it wouldn't really make sense to add a new flight in, and I can guarantee that with Christmas and New Years happening most likely during the week of the festival, we would be seeing a lot of skins oriented towards those concepts.
The last thing is that we ARE going to be getting new species of dragons (or breeds) it is just slow going because they not only have to draw the bases and put them into the program for the genes, but they also have to draw the apparel around two of those bases and we have a LOT of apparel. FR seems to want to make apparel universal, which I am completely in favor of, and that means slower going at releasing new breeds.
Also, while most breeds do have 'deity' alignment, we don't need a new element to get new breeds. Bogsneaks don't actually have an 'deity alignment' due to their nature as a baldwin accident. so, the two concepts aren't linked, and while we probably won't be getting any more flights or elements, we will be getting new breeds (hopefully soon, maybe the sort of event we have going on with the Tidelord missing and an Emperor raging in Light will lead up to a new breed, though they said no... but maybe that was only for Bounty of the Elements? Sorry for rambling...)
Also, on the Runestones thing, I believe that somewhere the admins have said that the runes don't just correspond to elements, but rather concepts as well as the elements, so while there is a Life Rune, that doesn't mean that Life isn't already covered by existing flights.
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No support. There's already a lot of elemental flights. Breeds are something FR will come out with when they want to/can, we just have to be patient.
No support like the others have said. Jemadar laid it out really well. In addition, life isn't the only "unofficial" element. IIRC, there's time, cloud, chaos and several others as seen in Runestones of the Arcanist. If FR were to use life, then users would want the others to become official flights as well. Or they'd complain "I don't want a life flight, a chaos flight would be much cooler."
However, I think it would be cool if FR occasionally made apparel themed after the unofficial elements. That way players could claim their dragon aligns with time or cloud or whatever and have a ton of fun with personal lore. Plus some new apparel like that would just be cool to have for aesthetic reasons.
However, I think it would be cool if FR occasionally made apparel themed after the unofficial elements. That way players could claim their dragon aligns with time or cloud or whatever and have a ton of fun with personal lore. Plus some new apparel like that would just be cool to have for aesthetic reasons.
No support like the others have said. Jemadar laid it out really well. In addition, life isn't the only "unofficial" element. IIRC, there's time, cloud, chaos and several others as seen in Runestones of the Arcanist. If FR were to use life, then users would want the others to become official flights as well. Or they'd complain "I don't want a life flight, a chaos flight would be much cooler."
However, I think it would be cool if FR occasionally made apparel themed after the unofficial elements. That way players could claim their dragon aligns with time or cloud or whatever and have a ton of fun with personal lore. Plus some new apparel like that would just be cool to have for aesthetic reasons.
However, I think it would be cool if FR occasionally made apparel themed after the unofficial elements. That way players could claim their dragon aligns with time or cloud or whatever and have a ton of fun with personal lore. Plus some new apparel like that would just be cool to have for aesthetic reasons.
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No support for the flight itself, but I love alignment-based apparel like @/gemajgall suggested!
No support for the flight itself, but I love alignment-based apparel like @/gemajgall suggested!
[font=comic sans ms][size=4]Here's how I view the matter:
[b]1. An new flight sounds cool, but there are a few things holding it back[/b]
-Nature is technically Life, which is why we have both Nature and Earth (I know, it's a bit confusing at first .-. )
--A new element would have to be fit into lore and would also need its own festival. Since all of the slots are taken for festivals, (with December being Night of the Nocturne) there isn't actually room for another flight.
---"Lifebringer," unfortunately, that name isn't valid since Plaguebringer already has the "bringer" part in her name.[/font][/size]
[quote=Jemadar]The biggest problem would be the fact that it would be extremely unfair to those players who have already used their free flight change or cannot choose to have their progen's eyes the color of the deity because they couldn't choose the flight from the beginning.[/quote]
[font=comic sans ms][size=4]Actually, this wouldn't really matter... I bet players had already changed flights when Arcane was added, and it's the second or third largest flight (I know there are a lot of new players too, but I'm just saying).[/font][/size]
[font=comic sans ms][size=4][b]2. It'd be awesome to have new breeds. Almost all of the flights don't actually have two dragon alignments! [/b]
-Light and Wind are the only flights that have two breeds aligned to them.
--The only problem with this is: Too many breeds can make the game seem too cluttered and they would become hard to keep track of...
I hoped this helped a lil' bit ^^/
Tell me, if there was a Life Flight, what would you think the eye colour would be?[/size][/font]
Here's how I view the matter:
1. An new flight sounds cool, but there are a few things holding it back
-Nature is technically Life, which is why we have both Nature and Earth (I know, it's a bit confusing at first .-. )
--A new element would have to be fit into lore and would also need its own festival. Since all of the slots are taken for festivals, (with December being Night of the Nocturne) there isn't actually room for another flight.
---"Lifebringer," unfortunately, that name isn't valid since Plaguebringer already has the "bringer" part in her name.
Actually, this wouldn't really matter... I bet players had already changed flights when Arcane was added, and it's the second or third largest flight (I know there are a lot of new players too, but I'm just saying).
2. It'd be awesome to have new breeds. Almost all of the flights don't actually have two dragon alignments!
-Light and Wind are the only flights that have two breeds aligned to them.
--The only problem with this is: Too many breeds can make the game seem too cluttered and they would become hard to keep track of...
I hoped this helped a lil' bit ^^/
Tell me, if there was a Life Flight, what would you think the eye colour would be?
1. An new flight sounds cool, but there are a few things holding it back
-Nature is technically Life, which is why we have both Nature and Earth (I know, it's a bit confusing at first .-. )
--A new element would have to be fit into lore and would also need its own festival. Since all of the slots are taken for festivals, (with December being Night of the Nocturne) there isn't actually room for another flight.
---"Lifebringer," unfortunately, that name isn't valid since Plaguebringer already has the "bringer" part in her name.
Jemadar wrote:
The biggest problem would be the fact that it would be extremely unfair to those players who have already used their free flight change or cannot choose to have their progen's eyes the color of the deity because they couldn't choose the flight from the beginning.
2. It'd be awesome to have new breeds. Almost all of the flights don't actually have two dragon alignments!
-Light and Wind are the only flights that have two breeds aligned to them.
--The only problem with this is: Too many breeds can make the game seem too cluttered and they would become hard to keep track of...
I hoped this helped a lil' bit ^^/
Tell me, if there was a Life Flight, what would you think the eye colour would be?
most people put something meaningful here...
In my opinion adding a new playable flight is too much hassle and would involve reworking too much in the game to jusvtify it. New flights should remain a fandom thing. As it is, dominance wise Beastclans already act as a 12th flight. Also if we add a new flight it just opens up the possibility of adding more flights down the line--when would it stop?
Holidays
With 11 flight festivals and December’s Night of the Nocturne event there is no room in the year to squeeze in another flight. Having the new flight not have a holiday is unfair to that flight and having multiple flights celebrate in the same month isn’t fair for either flight as most flights host celebrations of their holiday--usually it’s the week of the festival but there have been cases the week before has also been incorporated into the celebration. Having one festival in the beginning of a month and one festival at the end of the month means the flight who’s festival is at the beginning of the month would have to choose between effectively grinding for currency or effectively levelling exalt fodder. We don't need a December flight festival. Initially Ice’s holiday was in December but it was moved because the players didn’t want it interfering with real life commitments as generally December is a busy month. That’s one of the reasons NotN was decided to span two weeks. Having the holidays overlap or only be a few days in sequence is even more unfair for the players of those flights as who would claim dominance for that week? In all cases, it would make getting enough festival currency difficult.
Coliseum and Dominance
It would involve having to rework the entire checks and balances of the elements--currently each flight has the same numbers of strengths and weaknesses. Even if it’s rebalanced it means players would have to relearn the element strengths and weaknesses.
Players already complain about how hard it is to grind for currency in the coliseum. New flights means new elements which means more enemies which means diluting the populations in the various sages which means its harder to grind for currency.
More flights means more competition for dominance. Some flights already have hard enough time getting dominance, adding more competition means that they’ll have an even harder time.
Other Things
Unfair to players who’ve used their free flight change. They’ll have to pay to join this new flight that didn’t exist when they joined
Would involve redoing the map to fit them in - relatively minor thing but still
We already have 11 flights that’s a lot of choice to begin with--there are some flights with very small populations; we don’t need to further split ways to split populations.
@dragonfire when flight rising there were 11 flights. They’ve never added a new flight.
The admins plan on adding new breeds throughout the sites life
Holidays
With 11 flight festivals and December’s Night of the Nocturne event there is no room in the year to squeeze in another flight. Having the new flight not have a holiday is unfair to that flight and having multiple flights celebrate in the same month isn’t fair for either flight as most flights host celebrations of their holiday--usually it’s the week of the festival but there have been cases the week before has also been incorporated into the celebration. Having one festival in the beginning of a month and one festival at the end of the month means the flight who’s festival is at the beginning of the month would have to choose between effectively grinding for currency or effectively levelling exalt fodder. We don't need a December flight festival. Initially Ice’s holiday was in December but it was moved because the players didn’t want it interfering with real life commitments as generally December is a busy month. That’s one of the reasons NotN was decided to span two weeks. Having the holidays overlap or only be a few days in sequence is even more unfair for the players of those flights as who would claim dominance for that week? In all cases, it would make getting enough festival currency difficult.
Coliseum and Dominance
It would involve having to rework the entire checks and balances of the elements--currently each flight has the same numbers of strengths and weaknesses. Even if it’s rebalanced it means players would have to relearn the element strengths and weaknesses.
Players already complain about how hard it is to grind for currency in the coliseum. New flights means new elements which means more enemies which means diluting the populations in the various sages which means its harder to grind for currency.
More flights means more competition for dominance. Some flights already have hard enough time getting dominance, adding more competition means that they’ll have an even harder time.
Other Things
Unfair to players who’ve used their free flight change. They’ll have to pay to join this new flight that didn’t exist when they joined
Would involve redoing the map to fit them in - relatively minor thing but still
We already have 11 flights that’s a lot of choice to begin with--there are some flights with very small populations; we don’t need to further split ways to split populations.
@dragonfire when flight rising there were 11 flights. They’ve never added a new flight.
The admins plan on adding new breeds throughout the sites life
In my opinion adding a new playable flight is too much hassle and would involve reworking too much in the game to jusvtify it. New flights should remain a fandom thing. As it is, dominance wise Beastclans already act as a 12th flight. Also if we add a new flight it just opens up the possibility of adding more flights down the line--when would it stop?
Holidays
With 11 flight festivals and December’s Night of the Nocturne event there is no room in the year to squeeze in another flight. Having the new flight not have a holiday is unfair to that flight and having multiple flights celebrate in the same month isn’t fair for either flight as most flights host celebrations of their holiday--usually it’s the week of the festival but there have been cases the week before has also been incorporated into the celebration. Having one festival in the beginning of a month and one festival at the end of the month means the flight who’s festival is at the beginning of the month would have to choose between effectively grinding for currency or effectively levelling exalt fodder. We don't need a December flight festival. Initially Ice’s holiday was in December but it was moved because the players didn’t want it interfering with real life commitments as generally December is a busy month. That’s one of the reasons NotN was decided to span two weeks. Having the holidays overlap or only be a few days in sequence is even more unfair for the players of those flights as who would claim dominance for that week? In all cases, it would make getting enough festival currency difficult.
Coliseum and Dominance
It would involve having to rework the entire checks and balances of the elements--currently each flight has the same numbers of strengths and weaknesses. Even if it’s rebalanced it means players would have to relearn the element strengths and weaknesses.
Players already complain about how hard it is to grind for currency in the coliseum. New flights means new elements which means more enemies which means diluting the populations in the various sages which means its harder to grind for currency.
More flights means more competition for dominance. Some flights already have hard enough time getting dominance, adding more competition means that they’ll have an even harder time.
Other Things
Unfair to players who’ve used their free flight change. They’ll have to pay to join this new flight that didn’t exist when they joined
Would involve redoing the map to fit them in - relatively minor thing but still
We already have 11 flights that’s a lot of choice to begin with--there are some flights with very small populations; we don’t need to further split ways to split populations.
@dragonfire when flight rising there were 11 flights. They’ve never added a new flight.
The admins plan on adding new breeds throughout the sites life
Holidays
With 11 flight festivals and December’s Night of the Nocturne event there is no room in the year to squeeze in another flight. Having the new flight not have a holiday is unfair to that flight and having multiple flights celebrate in the same month isn’t fair for either flight as most flights host celebrations of their holiday--usually it’s the week of the festival but there have been cases the week before has also been incorporated into the celebration. Having one festival in the beginning of a month and one festival at the end of the month means the flight who’s festival is at the beginning of the month would have to choose between effectively grinding for currency or effectively levelling exalt fodder. We don't need a December flight festival. Initially Ice’s holiday was in December but it was moved because the players didn’t want it interfering with real life commitments as generally December is a busy month. That’s one of the reasons NotN was decided to span two weeks. Having the holidays overlap or only be a few days in sequence is even more unfair for the players of those flights as who would claim dominance for that week? In all cases, it would make getting enough festival currency difficult.
Coliseum and Dominance
It would involve having to rework the entire checks and balances of the elements--currently each flight has the same numbers of strengths and weaknesses. Even if it’s rebalanced it means players would have to relearn the element strengths and weaknesses.
Players already complain about how hard it is to grind for currency in the coliseum. New flights means new elements which means more enemies which means diluting the populations in the various sages which means its harder to grind for currency.
More flights means more competition for dominance. Some flights already have hard enough time getting dominance, adding more competition means that they’ll have an even harder time.
Other Things
Unfair to players who’ve used their free flight change. They’ll have to pay to join this new flight that didn’t exist when they joined
Would involve redoing the map to fit them in - relatively minor thing but still
We already have 11 flights that’s a lot of choice to begin with--there are some flights with very small populations; we don’t need to further split ways to split populations.
@dragonfire when flight rising there were 11 flights. They’ve never added a new flight.
The admins plan on adding new breeds throughout the sites life
I think @DragonFire was confused by the Tomo question stating that Arcanist is the youngest deity. The birth of all the gods is in the Lorebook section of the Encyclopedia, friend. Arcanist just happens to be last.
As for the actual suggestion, no support for the reasons stated above. We'll get a new breed eventually, they hired extra artists to help with that so we know it's coming. Just be patient. ^_^
As for the actual suggestion, no support for the reasons stated above. We'll get a new breed eventually, they hired extra artists to help with that so we know it's coming. Just be patient. ^_^
I think @DragonFire was confused by the Tomo question stating that Arcanist is the youngest deity. The birth of all the gods is in the Lorebook section of the Encyclopedia, friend. Arcanist just happens to be last.
As for the actual suggestion, no support for the reasons stated above. We'll get a new breed eventually, they hired extra artists to help with that so we know it's coming. Just be patient. ^_^
As for the actual suggestion, no support for the reasons stated above. We'll get a new breed eventually, they hired extra artists to help with that so we know it's coming. Just be patient. ^_^
It takes Twelve Years for one Imperial pair to produce a Primal-eyed offspring of a specific sex. Goal-based breeding is dead.
@DragonSage @Ridara
Oh, I see... Even still, I don't think that a lot of players would want to swarm a new flight since they've been so used to the original 11. There are some players that haven't switched and some that save up their gems to travel each flight, so I still don't see the problem ;-;
*I also don't go to Tomo often, so I wasn't confused... I just don't really read the lore and backstory of FR's creation xD
Oh, I see... Even still, I don't think that a lot of players would want to swarm a new flight since they've been so used to the original 11. There are some players that haven't switched and some that save up their gems to travel each flight, so I still don't see the problem ;-;
*I also don't go to Tomo often, so I wasn't confused... I just don't really read the lore and backstory of FR's creation xD
@DragonSage @Ridara
Oh, I see... Even still, I don't think that a lot of players would want to swarm a new flight since they've been so used to the original 11. There are some players that haven't switched and some that save up their gems to travel each flight, so I still don't see the problem ;-;
*I also don't go to Tomo often, so I wasn't confused... I just don't really read the lore and backstory of FR's creation xD
Oh, I see... Even still, I don't think that a lot of players would want to swarm a new flight since they've been so used to the original 11. There are some players that haven't switched and some that save up their gems to travel each flight, so I still don't see the problem ;-;
*I also don't go to Tomo often, so I wasn't confused... I just don't really read the lore and backstory of FR's creation xD
most people put something meaningful here...
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