So I've held off on talking about this for a little while, mostly out of fear of criticism, but I think there needs to be some improvement on the process of striking accounts with inappropriately named dragons.
I am pretty involved in dominance, and when I've got my exalt groove on, I don't really pay attention to the names of the fodder I buy. As long as they're named at all, I'm like "cool, I can just throw you into the coli and be done with you." On more than one occasion, however, I have noticed some inappropriately named fodder I'd buy on accident (and while sniping, you really pay zero attention to the name, so it's easy to buy one accidentally). In my situation, I sort of laughed it off and trained and exalted it anyway, figuring it would no longer be in circulation in the game and no harm no foul. What I didn't know was that it would still be tied to my account after being exalted, so when its name was discovered (I don't know if each instance has to be reported individually or if there is some bot constantly scanning for names that catches it), I was the one who got the warning/strike. Of course I panicked and wasn't sure what to do. I found out from a friend later that the derg was still tied to my account after being exalted, but when I checked the FR rules and guidelines, it didn't say anything about how to correct my situation (or any details on how naming is flagged and who gets flagged). Maybe I missed it, but I did search for quite a while.
I couldn't decide whether this belonged in the Help forum or this one, but I'd like to have a means of tracking who named what dragon, so that they are the ones flagged and not just whoever happens to own the dragon at the time. I understand having the dragon in your lair at all is sketchy cause kids can still be exposed to the name, but once you've exalted the dragon, there's nothing you can do to change the name, leaving no way to prevent the strike.
And lets be honest, even if you haven't exalted the dragon yet, it shouldn't be your responsibility to spend your hard-earned treasure on a renaming scroll if you didn't name it. Yes, they don't cost a lot, but they do cost something, and no one is guaranteed to have the money to purchase it.
I just want there to be a better system, and maybe for someone to clear things up for me. I've never gotten a strike before or have done anything that violated community guidelines before this happened. But I just recently bought fodder again that had an inappropriate name and was peeved that I had to spend money to rename it, shrinking my profit margin from exalting the derg in the first place. I would give a more detailed suggestion, but I don't know quite how the site works when flagging names. I just feel that you shouldn't be punished for just having an inappropriately named dragon in your possession. If you named it, you get the strike. Period.
So I've held off on talking about this for a little while, mostly out of fear of criticism, but I think there needs to be some improvement on the process of striking accounts with inappropriately named dragons.
I am pretty involved in dominance, and when I've got my exalt groove on, I don't really pay attention to the names of the fodder I buy. As long as they're named at all, I'm like "cool, I can just throw you into the coli and be done with you." On more than one occasion, however, I have noticed some inappropriately named fodder I'd buy on accident (and while sniping, you really pay zero attention to the name, so it's easy to buy one accidentally). In my situation, I sort of laughed it off and trained and exalted it anyway, figuring it would no longer be in circulation in the game and no harm no foul. What I didn't know was that it would still be tied to my account after being exalted, so when its name was discovered (I don't know if each instance has to be reported individually or if there is some bot constantly scanning for names that catches it), I was the one who got the warning/strike. Of course I panicked and wasn't sure what to do. I found out from a friend later that the derg was still tied to my account after being exalted, but when I checked the FR rules and guidelines, it didn't say anything about how to correct my situation (or any details on how naming is flagged and who gets flagged). Maybe I missed it, but I did search for quite a while.
I couldn't decide whether this belonged in the Help forum or this one, but I'd like to have a means of tracking who named what dragon, so that they are the ones flagged and not just whoever happens to own the dragon at the time. I understand having the dragon in your lair at all is sketchy cause kids can still be exposed to the name, but once you've exalted the dragon, there's nothing you can do to change the name, leaving no way to prevent the strike.
And lets be honest, even if you haven't exalted the dragon yet, it shouldn't be your responsibility to spend your hard-earned treasure on a renaming scroll if you didn't name it. Yes, they don't cost a lot, but they do cost something, and no one is guaranteed to have the money to purchase it.
I just want there to be a better system, and maybe for someone to clear things up for me. I've never gotten a strike before or have done anything that violated community guidelines before this happened. But I just recently bought fodder again that had an inappropriate name and was peeved that I had to spend money to rename it, shrinking my profit margin from exalting the derg in the first place. I would give a more detailed suggestion, but I don't know quite how the site works when flagging names. I just feel that you shouldn't be punished for just having an inappropriately named dragon in your possession. If you named it, you get the strike. Period.
I support a way to track the naming (and bios) back the the one that made them. As said it is highly unfair that the buyer is going to be held accountable for not changing or not changing FAST ENOUGh what has been done by another users ill-will.
If that isn't possible then at least a 'in doubt just unname/delete bio and count to 3' and only once that admin-internal counter is exceeded a warning should be issued. The occasional buyer might not even notice something amiss and can live with the suddenly unnamed dragon or the bio they might not even have noticed. Someone doing malicious naming on purpose will likely do so multiple times and reach that 'internal' counter - proving it was them rather than an accidental buy.
This could be coupled with a 'users watch' system where a dragon can be reported - and the user enterable stats hidden until the report is solved in one way or another. This would need an recoding of dragon pages though.
I support a way to track the naming (and bios) back the the one that made them. As said it is highly unfair that the buyer is going to be held accountable for not changing or not changing FAST ENOUGh what has been done by another users ill-will.
If that isn't possible then at least a 'in doubt just unname/delete bio and count to 3' and only once that admin-internal counter is exceeded a warning should be issued. The occasional buyer might not even notice something amiss and can live with the suddenly unnamed dragon or the bio they might not even have noticed. Someone doing malicious naming on purpose will likely do so multiple times and reach that 'internal' counter - proving it was them rather than an accidental buy.
This could be coupled with a 'users watch' system where a dragon can be reported - and the user enterable stats hidden until the report is solved in one way or another. This would need an recoding of dragon pages though.
I totally support this. There should be a way to track who named dragons or changed a bio. Not the fault of the buyer who is eating them for profit to not realise it is a bad name. And once exalted there is not much you can do about it.
I totally support this. There should be a way to track who named dragons or changed a bio. Not the fault of the buyer who is eating them for profit to not realise it is a bad name. And once exalted there is not much you can do about it.
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The buyer of a dragon shouldn't be held responsible for the previous owner who broke the rules. I feel like there could be a database that holds name/bio change data (who changed it, and what they changed it to), and this wouldn't be public. That shouldn't affect the site speed much, but would provide security for players.
I've bought a number of dragons that I've trained and exalted, but I've never read the names of. I look at the dragon's image rather than the name.
When reporting a dragon with an inappropriate name, the moderators could then look through the names and warn the player at fault rather than the owner.
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The buyer of a dragon shouldn't be held responsible for the previous owner who broke the rules. I feel like there could be a database that holds name/bio change data (who changed it, and what they changed it to), and this wouldn't be public. That shouldn't affect the site speed much, but would provide security for players.
I've bought a number of dragons that I've trained and exalted, but I've never read the names of. I look at the dragon's image rather than the name.
When reporting a dragon with an inappropriate name, the moderators could then look through the names and warn the player at fault rather than the owner.
Obviously no support for making that data public, as this could lead to naming harassment for innocent names as well. For example, WingWing isn't against the terms of service, it just sounds stupid and looks awkward on an offspring list.
This is the first I've heard of the admins not having a way to track who named a dragon. In the past, I have heard that they can track these things, but I've never heard it straight from an admin's mouth.
TLDR, too little data. If I were you, I'd send a Contact Us to ask for clarification, and maybe even an appeal. If dragons with inappropriate names never leave the system via exaltation, then, they just sit there forever... with inappropriate names... making everyone uncomfortable.
Obviously no support for making that data public, as this could lead to naming harassment for innocent names as well. For example, WingWing isn't against the terms of service, it just sounds stupid and looks awkward on an offspring list.
This is the first I've heard of the admins not having a way to track who named a dragon. In the past, I have heard that they can track these things, but I've never heard it straight from an admin's mouth.
TLDR, too little data. If I were you, I'd send a Contact Us to ask for clarification, and maybe even an appeal. If dragons with inappropriate names never leave the system via exaltation, then, they just sit there forever... with inappropriate names... making everyone uncomfortable.
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[quote]I was the one who got the warning/strike.[/quote]
I am adamantly sure the admins [i]can[/i] tell who named a dragon, as I have been in similar situations and had to report bad dragon names (when I was new, I watched some of my newly sold unnamed hatchlings bounce around lairs, being named bad things and resold then exalted. Then I watched the people who named the dragons, not the ones who exalted, complain about getting warnings. This was 4 years ago. So, the system has been there.)-- so since they are FULLY aware of who named the dragon, it is completely unfair that you were blamed for it.
Other that or they HAD the system correct and then decided to simplify it by penalizing the wrong players, in which case, I would support reverting to the old system or uh... having the bad names in the filters like they should have :'D (I don't know the names so maybe it wasn't possible-- BUT if a bad dragon name was unknown to them(the admins), AND to you, why are they penalizing you for their mistake?
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I was the one who got the warning/strike.
I am adamantly sure the admins
can tell who named a dragon, as I have been in similar situations and had to report bad dragon names (when I was new, I watched some of my newly sold unnamed hatchlings bounce around lairs, being named bad things and resold then exalted. Then I watched the people who named the dragons, not the ones who exalted, complain about getting warnings. This was 4 years ago. So, the system has been there.)-- so since they are FULLY aware of who named the dragon, it is completely unfair that you were blamed for it.
Other that or they HAD the system correct and then decided to simplify it by penalizing the wrong players, in which case, I would support reverting to the old system or uh... having the bad names in the filters like they should have :'D (I don't know the names so maybe it wasn't possible-- BUT if a bad dragon name was unknown to them(the admins), AND to you, why are they penalizing you for their mistake?
I think that if you find a dragon named like this, you should go straight to the admins in some way and tell them about the dragon, then they can deal with it themselves, thank you for your honesty, and no-one gets hurt.
I think that if you find a dragon named like this, you should go straight to the admins in some way and tell them about the dragon, then they can deal with it themselves, thank you for your honesty, and no-one gets hurt.
I support this, but with the caveats that they remove offensive names from the random name generator (ex. "Kittencruncher", "Stinky", etc) and make it possible to appeal should you accidentally name a dragon something deemed offensive through the RNG; speaking as someone who exalts a lot of dragons, it's really easy to give a dragon an unfortunate name when you've just bought a batch of fodder and are just mindlessly clicking the randomiser & it'd be a shame to get punished for that.
I support this, but with the caveats that they remove offensive names from the random name generator (ex. "Kittencruncher", "Stinky", etc) and make it possible to appeal should you accidentally name a dragon something deemed offensive through the RNG; speaking as someone who exalts a lot of dragons, it's really easy to give a dragon an unfortunate name when you've just bought a batch of fodder and are just mindlessly clicking the randomiser & it'd be a shame to get punished for that.
You could always use the Dragon Restoration option of the dragon was exalted recently and change the name to something else and reexalt it. You can also contact the admins and explain/appeal.
According to Chespin, a newer system is in place to check for bad name dragons, so I support going back to the older system which seemed to work better, or that they fix the newer one.
You could always use the Dragon Restoration option of the dragon was exalted recently and change the name to something else and reexalt it. You can also contact the admins and explain/appeal.
According to Chespin, a newer system is in place to check for bad name dragons, so I support going back to the older system which seemed to work better, or that they fix the newer one.
I refuse...
[quote name="Ridara" date="2018-08-06 11:08:19" ]
Obviously no support for making that data public, as this could lead to naming harassment for innocent names as well. For example, WingWing isn't against the terms of service, it just sounds stupid and looks awkward on an offspring list.
This is the first I've heard of the admins not having a way to track who named a dragon. In the past, I have heard that they can track these things, but I've never heard it straight from an admin's mouth.
TLDR, too little data. If I were you, I'd send a Contact Us to ask for clarification, and maybe even an appeal. If dragons with inappropriate names never leave the system via exaltation, then, they just sit there forever... with inappropriate names... making everyone uncomfortable.
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I agree with this, I do not think *players* should have access to this data, not even exalters, but there *should* be a system in place for the admins to at the very least see who changed the dragon's name the last (after all, if it were exalted with that name, the last person to use a naming scroll/function on it, had to have been the one to name it)
Ridara wrote on 2018-08-06 11:08:19:
Obviously no support for making that data public, as this could lead to naming harassment for innocent names as well. For example, WingWing isn't against the terms of service, it just sounds stupid and looks awkward on an offspring list.
This is the first I've heard of the admins not having a way to track who named a dragon. In the past, I have heard that they can track these things, but I've never heard it straight from an admin's mouth.
TLDR, too little data. If I were you, I'd send a Contact Us to ask for clarification, and maybe even an appeal. If dragons with inappropriate names never leave the system via exaltation, then, they just sit there forever... with inappropriate names... making everyone uncomfortable.
I agree with this, I do not think *players* should have access to this data, not even exalters, but there *should* be a system in place for the admins to at the very least see who changed the dragon's name the last (after all, if it were exalted with that name, the last person to use a naming scroll/function on it, had to have been the one to name it)