I can't remember if this option was mentioned in the lair tabs announcement, so I decided to suggest it. I think it would be nice to toggle tabs' viewing between private and public. It would be useful for dominance boarders when boarding leveled dragons for exalting; a proven strategy involves hoarding many high-level dragons until the final hour before dom is calculated, then exalting them which catches the opposing flight off-guard.
It would also be awesome for gifters or breeders who want their gift or project dragons to be a surprise!
I can't remember if this option was mentioned in the lair tabs announcement, so I decided to suggest it. I think it would be nice to toggle tabs' viewing between private and public. It would be useful for dominance boarders when boarding leveled dragons for exalting; a proven strategy involves hoarding many high-level dragons until the final hour before dom is calculated, then exalting them which catches the opposing flight off-guard.
It would also be awesome for gifters or breeders who want their gift or project dragons to be a surprise!
I actually love this idea; only, I think it might work better if you could toggle certain dragons to appear private, instead of whole tabs- after all, you might want to make an amount of private dragons that doesn't equal a whole tab. I, for one, very much dislike showing unnamed dragons, so hiding them until I name them would make me feel a lot better about my lair display. Maybe have the possibility to Mass-hide groups of dragons, as well as to toggle individual dragons as hidden?
Another possible idea is that if you have exalted a dragon's offspring, you could hide them from view. Similar to what I stated before, I dislike showing unnamed dragons, so hiding the dragons I've exalted without naming would also make me feel better about my lair display.
I actually love this idea; only, I think it might work better if you could toggle certain dragons to appear private, instead of whole tabs- after all, you might want to make an amount of private dragons that doesn't equal a whole tab. I, for one, very much dislike showing unnamed dragons, so hiding them until I name them would make me feel a lot better about my lair display. Maybe have the possibility to Mass-hide groups of dragons, as well as to toggle individual dragons as hidden?
Another possible idea is that if you have exalted a dragon's offspring, you could hide them from view. Similar to what I stated before, I dislike showing unnamed dragons, so hiding the dragons I've exalted without naming would also make me feel better about my lair display.
I'm not in favor of hiding dragons. Yeah, there are some uses and advantages, but that would allow hiding a core aspect of the game. And to counter the argument that hiding dragons would keep people from being harassed, hiding dragons could be used to harass people: "Where did my dragons go? :( someone bought all my dragons and hid them forever!"
What happens if you get dragons with hidden parents? Just links to a "hidden dragon" page? That's rather...meh.
And any hidden dragons exalted should be revealed then. They're part of the site history.
Also, I'm not sure how many dragons would get hidden, but if lots of people hide dragons we just get a dragon breed and dress-up game that has, uhhh, hidden dragons.
My compromise would be very limited hidden slots, I'd say maybe a max of 5. Mostly because I like that idea for gifting dragons and keeping them a surprise.
I'm not in favor of hiding dragons. Yeah, there are some uses and advantages, but that would allow hiding a core aspect of the game. And to counter the argument that hiding dragons would keep people from being harassed, hiding dragons could be used to harass people: "Where did my dragons go? :( someone bought all my dragons and hid them forever!"
What happens if you get dragons with hidden parents? Just links to a "hidden dragon" page? That's rather...meh.
And any hidden dragons exalted should be revealed then. They're part of the site history.
Also, I'm not sure how many dragons would get hidden, but if lots of people hide dragons we just get a dragon breed and dress-up game that has, uhhh, hidden dragons.
My compromise would be very limited hidden slots, I'd say maybe a max of 5. Mostly because I like that idea for gifting dragons and keeping them a surprise.
@Dagomor
I can totally see where you're coming from, but like @/heavylobster said,
[quote name="heavylobster" date="2018-12-02 18:18:33" ]
It would be useful for dominance boarders when boarding leveled dragons for exalting; a proven strategy involves hoarding many high-level dragons until the final hour before dom is calculated, then exalting them which catches the opposing flight off-guard.
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Maybe if you could only hide them for a limited time? I'm not sure how long that time would be, but it seems reasonable. As for the idea of dragons with hidden parents, maybe you can't hide a dragon if they have children in another clan? Or maybe make it so that if you have a link that would take you to that dragon's page, it bypasses the "hidden" status?
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Dagomor
I can totally see where you're coming from, but like @/heavylobster said,
heavylobster wrote on 2018-12-02 18:18:33:
It would be useful for dominance boarders when boarding leveled dragons for exalting; a proven strategy involves hoarding many high-level dragons until the final hour before dom is calculated, then exalting them which catches the opposing flight off-guard.
Maybe if you could only hide them for a limited time? I'm not sure how long that time would be, but it seems reasonable. As for the idea of dragons with hidden parents, maybe you can't hide a dragon if they have children in another clan? Or maybe make it so that if you have a link that would take you to that dragon's page, it bypasses the "hidden" status?
What site-supported reason could you possibly have for needing to see what dragons are in another person's lair? (And yes, I said needing, not wanting.)
Support, I don't care if my dragons have hidden parents or if other people are hiding their entire lair from me. If it's not my lair, it's not my business.
For Dom, if you're worried the other team is hiding leveled dragons from you... just exalt more dragons. Friendly reminder that holding dergs until the last minute wastes precious lair space. It's a strategy that relies on the other team taking a break if the board hasn't flipped in a while. You have no clue if they're going to do that or not.
And if you have enough time to spy on every single member of the opposing team's flight to look for pre-leveled fodder.. you have enough time to exalt more dragons. XD
So I can't see it being useful for Dom purposes but it would be nice to have more privacy options in general.
What site-supported reason could you possibly have for needing to see what dragons are in another person's lair? (And yes, I said needing, not wanting.)
Support, I don't care if my dragons have hidden parents or if other people are hiding their entire lair from me. If it's not my lair, it's not my business.
For Dom, if you're worried the other team is hiding leveled dragons from you... just exalt more dragons. Friendly reminder that holding dergs until the last minute wastes precious lair space. It's a strategy that relies on the other team taking a break if the board hasn't flipped in a while. You have no clue if they're going to do that or not.
And if you have enough time to spy on every single member of the opposing team's flight to look for pre-leveled fodder.. you have enough time to exalt more dragons. XD
So I can't see it being useful for Dom purposes but it would be nice to have more privacy options in general.
It takes
Twelve Years for one Imperial pair to produce a Primal-eyed offspring of a specific sex. Goal-based breeding is dead.
There IS a reason you might have to look at dragons in other people's lairs. And it's if you're trying to find the common ancestor between two dragons that are related to see how closely related they are.
So maybe if, as I've seen suggested before in other similar suggestions, the hidden dragons would show up through links from their offsprings' page, but with limited information. IE it wouldn't show you who owned them or their bio. But you could see their lineage.
Other than that caveat, I support this, sure. I can see why people might want to do this.
There IS a reason you might have to look at dragons in other people's lairs. And it's if you're trying to find the common ancestor between two dragons that are related to see how closely related they are.
So maybe if, as I've seen suggested before in other similar suggestions, the hidden dragons would show up through links from their offsprings' page, but with limited information. IE it wouldn't show you who owned them or their bio. But you could see their lineage.
Other than that caveat, I support this, sure. I can see why people might want to do this.
As long as lineage checks don't break I'm all for this.
No one needs to see what dragons are in other peoples lairs. If they choose to not openly display a dragon they should be able to.
As long as lineage checks don't break I'm all for this.
No one needs to see what dragons are in other peoples lairs. If they choose to not openly display a dragon they should be able to.
[quote name="luccamajere" date="2018-12-03 04:41:17" ]
There IS a reason you might have to look at dragons in other people's lairs. And it's if you're trying to find the common ancestor between two dragons that are related to see how closely related they are.[/quote]
My bad, that is legitimate. my opinion is that that should be the Scrying Workshop's responsibility (only up to 5 generations and not showing the "extended family.") but that's another Suggestions thread for another day.
luccamajere wrote on 2018-12-03 04:41:17:
There IS a reason you might have to look at dragons in other people's lairs. And it's if you're trying to find the common ancestor between two dragons that are related to see how closely related they are.
My bad, that is legitimate. my opinion is that that should be the Scrying Workshop's responsibility (only up to 5 generations and not showing the "extended family.") but that's another Suggestions thread for another day.
It takes
Twelve Years for one Imperial pair to produce a Primal-eyed offspring of a specific sex. Goal-based breeding is dead.
I support more privacy. Having been on the wrong end of harassment, I see more pros than cons to this.
Yes, I understand researching genealogy. But we do have Assay Bloodlines for that.
With hidden lair/tabs, we could even have things set to Everyone (the whole Internet), Members Only (people currently logged into FR), Flight Only, Friends Only, or No One.
I support more privacy. Having been on the wrong end of harassment, I see more pros than cons to this.
Yes, I understand researching genealogy. But we do have Assay Bloodlines for that.
With hidden lair/tabs, we could even have things set to Everyone (the whole Internet), Members Only (people currently logged into FR), Flight Only, Friends Only, or No One.
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If writers are supposed to "show not tell," why are we called "storytellers" and not "storyshow-ers"?
[quote name="Ridara" date="2018-12-03 06:41:42" ]
[quote name="luccamajere" date="2018-12-03 04:41:17" ]
There IS a reason you might have to look at dragons in other people's lairs. And it's if you're trying to find the common ancestor between two dragons that are related to see how closely related they are.[/quote]
My bad, that is legitimate. my opinion is that that should be the Scrying Workshop's responsibility (only up to 5 generations and not showing the "extended family.") but that's another Suggestions thread for another day.
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The problem with this (not Ridara's but Luccamajere) is that the functionality to break lineage searching already exists: the blocking function. Unless they have changed it back, when a person blocks you, you can no longer see their dragons or lair. So, we already have a mechanic in place that prevents users from tracing lineages.
I support this.
While I do understand the concern about lineage tracing, with the scrying workshop, you can already tell whether or not two dragons are too closely related, and while knowing where that relation is, is helpful, I fall on the side of having more privacy options is always nice, and it isn't something that is going to be game breaking if you can't trace down exactly where the relation occurs.
(as an aside, I do agree that potentially showing the common ancestor, not even needing a true 'family tree' lineage, but just saying 'X and Y have Z in common', would be great. I have also always felt that for players who want to trace familiy trees back, having an exalt like page, where it just shows the basics, such as lineage and stats, but no familiar, bio, name of lair, or clothing would be a good compromise for those players).
Ridara wrote on 2018-12-03 06:41:42:
luccamajere wrote on 2018-12-03 04:41:17:
There IS a reason you might have to look at dragons in other people's lairs. And it's if you're trying to find the common ancestor between two dragons that are related to see how closely related they are.
My bad, that is legitimate. my opinion is that that should be the Scrying Workshop's responsibility (only up to 5 generations and not showing the "extended family.") but that's another Suggestions thread for another day.
The problem with this (not Ridara's but Luccamajere) is that the functionality to break lineage searching already exists: the blocking function. Unless they have changed it back, when a person blocks you, you can no longer see their dragons or lair. So, we already have a mechanic in place that prevents users from tracing lineages.
I support this.
While I do understand the concern about lineage tracing, with the scrying workshop, you can already tell whether or not two dragons are too closely related, and while knowing where that relation is, is helpful, I fall on the side of having more privacy options is always nice, and it isn't something that is going to be game breaking if you can't trace down exactly where the relation occurs.
(as an aside, I do agree that potentially showing the common ancestor, not even needing a true 'family tree' lineage, but just saying 'X and Y have Z in common', would be great. I have also always felt that for players who want to trace familiy trees back, having an exalt like page, where it just shows the basics, such as lineage and stats, but no familiar, bio, name of lair, or clothing would be a good compromise for those players).
