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Hi, sorry if this has already been suggested, I had a quick search and couldn't find anything. (Also, I don't really know any of the acronyms for stuff, forgive me)

I've seen quite a few complaints about the gradual decline in the price of hatchling and adult dragons on the AH. This seems like a natural progression of having infinite dragon production and people's desires to hoard and sell dragons rather than exalt, for attachment and profit reasons.

I believe adult dragons used to sell for around 10k? Now they are dipping below 6k and I figure it will naturally plateau at whatever level 1 exalting value is. I'm not sure if this is what's desired by the FR team but it does seem to be upsetting a few people.

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Perhaps a way of solving this would be an event based around a specific method of exalting, where dragons are "sent away" (maybe gaining your flight dominance, maybe not?) and in return you are given an event-specific currency, which can be spent on event-specific apparel, familiars, etc *.
I feel like these would have to be especially "worth it" for the effort and cost that would be involved in buying up the cheapest dragons to be "exalted" this way.

(I think the prizes and currency would have to be event specific and non-transferable/sellable to prevent coin and gem inflation as a result.)

*For all its faults, Neopet's Charity Corner is my inspiration for this. It is an event where they encourage turning in items for points which can be spent on "boons" eg. pet colour changes. It definitely helps clear out their useless and near worthless items from user owned shops every year, and generally gives their economy a boost and frees up their server space.


Again, sorry if this has been covered already! (And I have never studied economics heheh.)


Hi, sorry if this has already been suggested, I had a quick search and couldn't find anything. (Also, I don't really know any of the acronyms for stuff, forgive me)

I've seen quite a few complaints about the gradual decline in the price of hatchling and adult dragons on the AH. This seems like a natural progression of having infinite dragon production and people's desires to hoard and sell dragons rather than exalt, for attachment and profit reasons.

I believe adult dragons used to sell for around 10k? Now they are dipping below 6k and I figure it will naturally plateau at whatever level 1 exalting value is. I'm not sure if this is what's desired by the FR team but it does seem to be upsetting a few people.

SO
Perhaps a way of solving this would be an event based around a specific method of exalting, where dragons are "sent away" (maybe gaining your flight dominance, maybe not?) and in return you are given an event-specific currency, which can be spent on event-specific apparel, familiars, etc *.
I feel like these would have to be especially "worth it" for the effort and cost that would be involved in buying up the cheapest dragons to be "exalted" this way.

(I think the prizes and currency would have to be event specific and non-transferable/sellable to prevent coin and gem inflation as a result.)

*For all its faults, Neopet's Charity Corner is my inspiration for this. It is an event where they encourage turning in items for points which can be spent on "boons" eg. pet colour changes. It definitely helps clear out their useless and near worthless items from user owned shops every year, and generally gives their economy a boost and frees up their server space.


Again, sorry if this has been covered already! (And I have never studied economics heheh.)


I seriously doubt it’ll ever plateau at level 1 exalt price, considering it takes just a few minutes to level a dragon to level 6-7, which pays around 7-8kt (which is why 7kt is the normal adult fodder price). As such, I don’t think that the price drop is anything to worry about, it’ll go back up with the conquests coming up.

I’d also like to add that I haven’t seen anyone complaining about the price drop? If anything people would be ecstatic since they’d be able to make a larger profit via exalting.
I seriously doubt it’ll ever plateau at level 1 exalt price, considering it takes just a few minutes to level a dragon to level 6-7, which pays around 7-8kt (which is why 7kt is the normal adult fodder price). As such, I don’t think that the price drop is anything to worry about, it’ll go back up with the conquests coming up.

I’d also like to add that I haven’t seen anyone complaining about the price drop? If anything people would be ecstatic since they’d be able to make a larger profit via exalting.
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Adult dragons sell for 10K when there is a big dominance push. There hasn't really been big dominance pushes in a while.

Adult dragons sell for 10K when there is a big dominance push. There hasn't really been big dominance pushes in a while.

I'd exalt more if I got an exalt-specific currency that let me buy exclusive items (familiars, apparel, genes).

Otherwise... I never bother anymore, honestly. There's just no incentive.

As for complaints... I haven't seen this complaint since 2014.
I'd exalt more if I got an exalt-specific currency that let me buy exclusive items (familiars, apparel, genes).

Otherwise... I never bother anymore, honestly. There's just no incentive.

As for complaints... I haven't seen this complaint since 2014.
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Prices are set by supply and demand. The reason why dragon prices are so low is because the supply far outstrips the demand. Dragons do not die and do not have to be replaced, they also can produce other dragons indefinitely; thus by their inherent design they aren't worth much. They were never intended to be a major source of profit. It is quite possible to make a living breeding dragons, although this generally involves finding a niche and being good at marketing.

Hatchling price floor is generally around 3000 t which is a bit more than you’d get for exalting right away and won’t drop down below exalting payouts as players would just snap them up to exalt. Adults generally are around 6000-7000 as that is how much you get for leveling for a few minutes before exalting. These prices are perfectly fine.

The auction house revamp has made it far easier to find dragons which has helped make it easy to check lowest action price which has helped keep costs down

One of the best ways to 'fix the tanking dragon prices' is to encourage exalting (without increasing treasure payouts) as it removes excess dragons from the game. It’s already been shown that doing so improves prices as is evident by how prices rise during a dominance battle. Ways to do this include Fayd's Overhaul, an exalt shop or even rare drops that are exclusively received via exalting.

Introducing events that do the same thing as exalting doesn’t really make sense when we have exalting—just encourage exalting
Prices are set by supply and demand. The reason why dragon prices are so low is because the supply far outstrips the demand. Dragons do not die and do not have to be replaced, they also can produce other dragons indefinitely; thus by their inherent design they aren't worth much. They were never intended to be a major source of profit. It is quite possible to make a living breeding dragons, although this generally involves finding a niche and being good at marketing.

Hatchling price floor is generally around 3000 t which is a bit more than you’d get for exalting right away and won’t drop down below exalting payouts as players would just snap them up to exalt. Adults generally are around 6000-7000 as that is how much you get for leveling for a few minutes before exalting. These prices are perfectly fine.

The auction house revamp has made it far easier to find dragons which has helped make it easy to check lowest action price which has helped keep costs down

One of the best ways to 'fix the tanking dragon prices' is to encourage exalting (without increasing treasure payouts) as it removes excess dragons from the game. It’s already been shown that doing so improves prices as is evident by how prices rise during a dominance battle. Ways to do this include Fayd's Overhaul, an exalt shop or even rare drops that are exclusively received via exalting.

Introducing events that do the same thing as exalting doesn’t really make sense when we have exalting—just encourage exalting
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The issue is that a single event like the charity corner on neopets won't help anything. It will be like a big dominance push: prices will go up, until the event is over. Then they will simply go back down to floor price again. Even if the event was recurring, it would simply do the same, while the events are occuring, prices would be higher, and while the events are not occurring, prices would tank.

What is needed are more incentives to exalt outside of dominance. Exalt shops, where you get currency from exalting dragons (not treasure or gems), and can buy exclusive stuff from said shop is one of the most popular suggestions.

Even adding exclusive stuff from exalting itself, such as a gene scroll, would go a long way to help. (ie, you exalt a dragon, and in addition to or instead of treasure and/or gems, you get a gene scroll, and this is the only place to get said gene scroll)

But singular events? they will only help while the event is happening, and will do nothing to help in the long run.

The simple fact of the matter is that dragons were probably never meant to be valuable, because they are an infinite resource. You can have up to five nests going at a time, with up to five eggs per nest, dragons can breed from the first time their cooldown goes off to the end of the site, and there are very little restrictions on who can breed with who. All those mean that you don't have to replace dragons (as they don't get old and die or go sterile), you can constantly keep breeding said dragons whenever they are off cooldowns, and it is very easy to get a breeding pair.
The issue is that a single event like the charity corner on neopets won't help anything. It will be like a big dominance push: prices will go up, until the event is over. Then they will simply go back down to floor price again. Even if the event was recurring, it would simply do the same, while the events are occuring, prices would be higher, and while the events are not occurring, prices would tank.

What is needed are more incentives to exalt outside of dominance. Exalt shops, where you get currency from exalting dragons (not treasure or gems), and can buy exclusive stuff from said shop is one of the most popular suggestions.

Even adding exclusive stuff from exalting itself, such as a gene scroll, would go a long way to help. (ie, you exalt a dragon, and in addition to or instead of treasure and/or gems, you get a gene scroll, and this is the only place to get said gene scroll)

But singular events? they will only help while the event is happening, and will do nothing to help in the long run.

The simple fact of the matter is that dragons were probably never meant to be valuable, because they are an infinite resource. You can have up to five nests going at a time, with up to five eggs per nest, dragons can breed from the first time their cooldown goes off to the end of the site, and there are very little restrictions on who can breed with who. All those mean that you don't have to replace dragons (as they don't get old and die or go sterile), you can constantly keep breeding said dragons whenever they are off cooldowns, and it is very easy to get a breeding pair.

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That's actually a pretty good point!
I suppose the only fault I could see with having basically a trade in shop for dragons -> rewards permanently is that it may damage the emotional aspect of the dragons for players through seeing them even more as a resource to be spent? (Sorry, I'm not sure if I've made sense there or not.)
I personally would like it, but I don't care about selling/exhaling any dragons that I don't find aesthetically pleasing, and don't think of them as "characters", but I can imagine some do. And maybe the cheapening of whatever was offered as rewards (genes, colour changes I suppose?).
But yes I basically agree with you, scratch what I've said, haha.


@Dragonsage
Thanks for including fayd's overhaul, that's a really interesting read!



@jemadar
That's actually a pretty good point!
I suppose the only fault I could see with having basically a trade in shop for dragons -> rewards permanently is that it may damage the emotional aspect of the dragons for players through seeing them even more as a resource to be spent? (Sorry, I'm not sure if I've made sense there or not.)
I personally would like it, but I don't care about selling/exhaling any dragons that I don't find aesthetically pleasing, and don't think of them as "characters", but I can imagine some do. And maybe the cheapening of whatever was offered as rewards (genes, colour changes I suppose?).
But yes I basically agree with you, scratch what I've said, haha.


@Dragonsage
Thanks for including fayd's overhaul, that's a really interesting read!



Who is complaining about this?? The low prices are fantastic. It's a bigger profit margin for exalting.
Who is complaining about this?? The low prices are fantastic. It's a bigger profit margin for exalting.
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The emotional aspect of dragons is something each player has to deal with on their own. I have dragons I am very attached to. The two in my signature are my progen, who I lucked out with great colors, and my 'water baby', one ofthe first dragons I bred, from two dragons I was gifted with somewhat wide ranges, who turned out an excellent water dragon.

However, I have dragons in my fodder tab that I breed specifically to train and sell. I have no emotional aspect to those dragons.

Players are already collecting favorite dragons, permas, and still exalting dragons for profit. an exalt shop would not do anything except make it more profitable to actually exalt, without adding more treasure into the economy.

For those who don't want dragons they sell to be exalted, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to help those ,because the minute the dragon is sold, it no longer belongs to them, and the new owner might not have any attachement to said dragon at all. That is a risk of selling.

As a case in point: I hatched some gen1 nocturnes shortly after NoTN, and most of them were 'meh' colors. I had a couple I thought might have been nice, but they weren't doubles or anything like that. They have sat in my lair for a while, and I was planning on naming and training and then selling for fodder.

Someone PMed me about one of them, because they had been looking for a dragon with that color scheme for a while, but never could find it. It wasn't a bad dragon (brown/red/grey range colors but all working together) but nothing truly special, to me. To them, it was something they wanted, and when I sent it over, they immediately named it, put a new scry in the bio and gave it a familiar.

However, there have been other dragons I thought 'these are pretty, I wish they could go to a good home' and they were bought and immediately exalted.

However, neither of those two scenarios touched how I felt about my permas, so I doubt it would hurt anyone who has emotional attachements to their dragons.

Dragons are only worth what the current owner thinks they are worth, and that isn't always what the previous own thought they were worth. This is something that people who sell dragons need to realize. They may think this dragon is gorgeous, but the new owner may only see treasure piles. or it could end up the opposite, they see treasure for selling, and someone else see 'ooh, I lOVE this dragon!'

As for cheapening what was offered for rewards, these would be exclusive things, so the only way to get them was through the shop/exalting directly, and they could make these particualr rewards (gene scrolls etc..) high enough priced that they wouldn't be raining from the sky.

They could also implement a cycling in the rewards system so that, while none of the items retire, they aren't always available.
@Birchstar

The emotional aspect of dragons is something each player has to deal with on their own. I have dragons I am very attached to. The two in my signature are my progen, who I lucked out with great colors, and my 'water baby', one ofthe first dragons I bred, from two dragons I was gifted with somewhat wide ranges, who turned out an excellent water dragon.

However, I have dragons in my fodder tab that I breed specifically to train and sell. I have no emotional aspect to those dragons.

Players are already collecting favorite dragons, permas, and still exalting dragons for profit. an exalt shop would not do anything except make it more profitable to actually exalt, without adding more treasure into the economy.

For those who don't want dragons they sell to be exalted, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to help those ,because the minute the dragon is sold, it no longer belongs to them, and the new owner might not have any attachement to said dragon at all. That is a risk of selling.

As a case in point: I hatched some gen1 nocturnes shortly after NoTN, and most of them were 'meh' colors. I had a couple I thought might have been nice, but they weren't doubles or anything like that. They have sat in my lair for a while, and I was planning on naming and training and then selling for fodder.

Someone PMed me about one of them, because they had been looking for a dragon with that color scheme for a while, but never could find it. It wasn't a bad dragon (brown/red/grey range colors but all working together) but nothing truly special, to me. To them, it was something they wanted, and when I sent it over, they immediately named it, put a new scry in the bio and gave it a familiar.

However, there have been other dragons I thought 'these are pretty, I wish they could go to a good home' and they were bought and immediately exalted.

However, neither of those two scenarios touched how I felt about my permas, so I doubt it would hurt anyone who has emotional attachements to their dragons.

Dragons are only worth what the current owner thinks they are worth, and that isn't always what the previous own thought they were worth. This is something that people who sell dragons need to realize. They may think this dragon is gorgeous, but the new owner may only see treasure piles. or it could end up the opposite, they see treasure for selling, and someone else see 'ooh, I lOVE this dragon!'

As for cheapening what was offered for rewards, these would be exclusive things, so the only way to get them was through the shop/exalting directly, and they could make these particualr rewards (gene scrolls etc..) high enough priced that they wouldn't be raining from the sky.

They could also implement a cycling in the rewards system so that, while none of the items retire, they aren't always available.

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[quote name="elfin" date="2019-04-23 05:24:16" ] Who is complaining about this?? The low prices are fantastic. It's a bigger profit margin for exalting. [/quote] I haven't seen it a lot lately, but many people complain about 'dragons don't sell!, I want to make profit on my dragons, but I can only sell them for just about fodder price' (I don't agree with them, because I love cheap dragons, and I am not an exalter)
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Who is complaining about this?? The low prices are fantastic. It's a bigger profit margin for exalting.
I haven't seen it a lot lately, but many people complain about 'dragons don't sell!, I want to make profit on my dragons, but I can only sell them for just about fodder price' (I don't agree with them, because I love cheap dragons, and I am not an exalter)

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