Suggestions

Now you might be thinking, [i]what in the name of Flight Rising do you mean by Voting Up & Down Suggestions"?[/i], but hear me out. With all of the various suggestions given by players in Flight Rising, it can be often overwhelming for both the mods/developers and players who want to help give a say in the community to prioritize issues for developing. Now, don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to say that developers and mods aren't good at prioritizing issues in our community at all. I'm just saying that the process of prioritizing issues could be a little easier. This is why I thought, why not have a "Voting Up & Down" option? It'll be kind of like Reddit, where you can vote up and down a post, except for suggestions here on Flight Rising so that players can vote up suggestions that they think should be prioritized. [img]https://i.imgur.com/i9TFFTA.png[/img] Clicking the up arrow makes the post go further up. Clicking the down arrow makes the post go further down. (Like and Dislike.) The only problem that I can currently think of is the issue of some new suggestions/posts being drained out by upvoted posts. However, perhaps we can have a second area in Suggestions where all new suggestions/posts can be featured there, while the most upvoted posts will be posted in the original area? (This may sound complicated, so I apologize for being such a bad explainer.) What do you all think?

No thanks. I hate the upvote/down vote system in general—I much prefer the chronological/activity system. Upvote/down vote systems make it difficult to see new posts while an activity or chronological posting allows me to check for new threads or activity very easily especially as a regular in the forum

As for the suggestion forum in specific the admins want the suggestion forum to be a discussion forum which is why we are not allowed to post just support or no support. In addition the forum is not a petition form where the most popular ideas get implemented. An upvote downvote system goes against this philosophy as you could just click them a up or down with no discussion and he system implies that the popularity of a suggestion affects it’s likelyhood of being implemented

[quote name="SuddenlyJoxar" date="2019-08-15 18:38:04" ]But the suggestions forum is supposed to be for discussing new ideas. It's not a petition corner or something. The staff doesn't really care if a suggestion is popular, they care about the positive and negative aspects of the idea itself. [/quote] This sums it up pretty well, honestly. Staff doesn't implement things based what gets the most "votes" of support; that would be pretty game breaking if, for example, a bond all button for familiars was implemented because so many people want it. If you don't want discussion, send your suggestion via Contact Us and don't post it at all.

As SuddenlyJoxar said, the staff have said in the past that suggestions aren't implemented based upon their popularity but rather whether or not they fit into the staff's vision for the game.

Nor does 'upvoting or downvoting' promote discussion which is what the admins want. They made a rule disallowing simply saying support or no support or just quoting another person's post, so I can't see them wanting to implement something like this.

Plus, this could easily give false impressions.

1. It gives the impression that a suggestion is popular, therefore it should be implemented.

2. It could give the impression that a suggestion is not popular, but that suggestion has changed since the first post, and thus players that didn't support the original suggestion support the modified suggestion.

3. There are already people who dislike (and some react pretty badly) to no supports or criticism of their suggestions, imagine how much worse it would be if they could get a count of how many people dislike a suggestion.

Yeah, I don’t support this. It’s already stated that what gets implemented has nothing to do with the amount of support it gets from other players. Also, since just commenting “support” or “no support” is against the rules, this seems like it might be in the spirit of that. Even though I think part of that issue is about spam.

I think that responding through posts with criticism can be done in a much more constructive way than just hitting a button, which is something I like about the Suggestions forum.

You don't see people in the suggestion forums counting their support/no support for a reason. Because it doesn't matter. You could have just the main post with a very well thought out reason and possibility for implementation and the staff could add it. You can also have a thread with a simple suggestion that doesn't have much reasoning behind it but pages of supports and the staff will continue to ignore it.

This forum is meant to work out the suggestions, how they'd work, why they'd be good or bad, etc. Not just to vote of an idea and get it passed. That's not how it works here.

Every time I see someone counting the votes, I can always tell they're new or don't know how things run here and make a point of pointing out to them that counting isn't going to change anything. So no support from me. Suggestions that are really bad for this game could get passed if it worked that way. I'd rather FR stayed healthy and functioning, thank you.

[quote name="SuddenlyJoxar" date="2019-08-15 18:38:04" ] But the suggestions forum is supposed to be for discussing new ideas. [/quote] I personally don't see how this is an objection to the up/down-vote system because it's not as of sites with such a system don't have discussion. And we do occasionally see people just copying someone else's post, say, "This," and then go on to reiterate everything in the post as if it's continuing discussion. It's just a really long up/down-vote. Not saying it matters. But it's also not correct to imply the two are mutually exclusive. I'm not convinced that people with something meaningful to say will only vote if given the option to vote and/or state their opinion, either.

[quote name="Almedha" date="2019-08-15 22:08:20" ] [quote name="SuddenlyJoxar" date="2019-08-15 18:38:04" ] But the suggestions forum is supposed to be for discussing new ideas. [/quote] I personally don't see how this is an objection to the up/down-vote system because it's not as of sites with such a system don't have discussion. [/quote] Probably because staff themselves have made the distinction. Effective 'vote' posts (ie support/no support, simple quotes with 'this') are covered in the forum guidelines and actively removed, and the rare people who count the supports and no supports are reminded that those don't matter. If votes are therefore meaningless, there goes the positive effect of this suggestion. That leaves only the negative - popularity contests, non-constructive dogpiling, losing out on tweaks to ideas because it was easier to just click a button because 'close enough'. No support.