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I see what you're getting at. I've had my goat eye vials sitting around my vault since I got them. Personally I don't mind them, but I can see that this kind of thing could set a precedent for those who don't want undesired items to take up their space.

However, for things like Galore gifts (ie the Gaoler scrolls), I think clanbound items are okay. I would rather all "clanbound" items be completely optional to obtain- if you don't want them taking up space and collecting dust, then you don't have to pick them up at all.

And to specify, I would only support clanbound items like this if:
• You can choose whether or not to pick it up in the first place (Galore)
• Everyone has equal opportunity to obtain them (not like this PvP apparel)
• Galore doesn't give out clanbound and non-clanbound items together
• They are also items that you can obtain elsewhere on the site

I think that would make more sense. Like, Galore gave out free clanbound Gaoler scrolls. Let's say I didn't pick mine up- I don't like Gaolers, I would never want Gaoler scrolls that I wouldn't use and couldn't sell/trade, and I wouldn't want clanbound Gao scrolls wasting away in my hoard/vault. Now let's say 5 months from now I decide I absolutely need a Gaoler scroll- do I regret not picking up those clanbound ones? Maybe a little. But I can also just buy a regular one from the MP or from someone else. It's fine.

The goat eye vials, on the other hand, are tricky. You could only pick them up if you also picked up the eliminates, which everyone did want, and weren't clanbound. So lots of us ended up with goat-eye vials that we didn't want. It's easy enough to just slap goat eyes on fodder to exalt and be done with it, but the principle is still there. If the eliminates were also clanbound in this situation, maybe I wouldn't have picked up the gift, since I only wanted the elims to sell.

But then, oh wait, could I ever obtain goat eyes again, in that case? NO!! If I wanted a goat eye vial, my only option would be to have picked up the gift in the first place. Eliminates can be bought from others players or found in the coliseum. The demand is high and the supply is low, but it's not literally impossible.

SO!!! I agree that clanbound items are tricky. I don't think they're completely unnecessary- I like the idea of being rewarded with something that I can't just turn around and make a profit from. But like I said, it only makes sense if it's totally optional and not more advantageous for some than others, if that makes sense

Imo the Galore ones for eyes and new breeds are fine. Sure, some people deliberately get around it but the vast majority either don't get used or are used in the spirit of their intended purpose.

Clan bound eye vials in particular are a nice compromise between 'the whole point of these eye types is breeding only' and giving people a chance to give that one old dragon the perfect eye type.

@Vendrus (Hope you don't mind the ping?) You're kinda right there I think!!

Clanbound items that aren't obtainable through means other than Galore, like the eye vials, are objectively fine, as long as I don't feel the need to pick them up if I don't want them. In this case, I picked them up because I wanted those eliminates. The goat-eye vial example is tricky because a lot of people take issue with the implementation of eye types and eye vials at all, haha. I personally think all eye types should have vials that are obtainable through the MP, Baldwin, Coli, etc. so I don't agree with "eye types = breeding only" but that's a WHOLE different issue lmao!!

So I think that if Galore gives out clanbound stuff, at the very least, they shouldn't give out a mix of clanbound and non-clanbound stuff. I personally don't think it's fair to less-active users who aren't always online often enough to check Galore (if I didn't log in during the pickup period for the eye vials, I could never get them if I did want them), which is why I would prefer to see Galore give out clanbound versions of items you can still get through other means, but I guess not every person is gonna be able to get every thing either.

But I think what bugs me the most is that, before the clanbound thing and eye type vials and stuff, nothing on FR was truly unobtainable. Even KS items can be bought from others users or, now, won through Roundsey on occasion. I don't like the idea of exclusively unobtainable items yknow? Like if you missed the window for the goat eye vials you were essentially SOL.

The Gao scrolls being clanbound makes more sense to me because if you chose not to pick em up, you could still get them later on, and they weren't given out with any other non-clanbound items. The only incentive to pick up the clanbound Gao scrolls is if you actively wanted them to use them or to save them.

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Making items that are *gifts* specifically intended as a 1-for-each-player be clanbound is fine imo but there should also be an easy way to get RID of them. Let us trash the clanbound things. Give them a hoard sell value of 0 or 1, and let us toss them. I don't think they need a monetary reward, as they are *gifts* in the first place, you don't *have* to want the gift but you don't get to decide to exchange it for treasure/anything else. (Doesn't everyone resent the friend who opens a present and goes "I don't want this, can you get me something else, thaaaaaanks"?)

I'm less fine with clanbound *rewards* that players have to earn, but I also understand where the developers are coming from with the idea of clanbound-ing coli PvP rewards. Personally I'd like if those were sellable on the AH to other players, because those aren't free gifts, and should have value.

The more I think about it, the less necessary clanbound items really seems. The only reason I support anything being clanbound at all, again, is so that I couldn't just pick up a gift from Galore and go right around and sell it (Like I did with the elims LMAO). I think it's a fair compromise to implement a way for users not to take advantage of gifts like this. But also, FR has always been about doing what you want to get what you want. So like.... If I wanted to pick up a couple goat-eye vials and sell them? That should be fine too hmmm

[quote name="clockworkMoose" date="2019-08-23 06:47:30" ] Let us trash the clanbound things. Give them a hoard sell value of 0 or 1, and let us toss them. I don't think they need a monetary reward, as they are *gifts* in the first place. I'm less fine with clanbound *rewards* that players have to earn, but I also understand where the developers are coming from with the idea of clanbound-ing coli PvP rewards. Personally I'd like if those were sellable on the AH to other players, because those aren't free gifts, and should have value. [/quote] Honestly yeah being able to throw away clanbound items is also an issue that I wasn't even thinking about. You're right!! I totally agree with this lmao

I think I stick with my notion that Clanbound items should be given out as gifts, you should be able to discard them, and the only incentive for picking them up is if you actually want the item. If you change your mind after the pickup period, I'd like for the item to still be obtainable through other means. Even eye vials!

Clanbound items should NOT be rewards for time and effort (like PvP). Some people prefer their time and effort to go towards obtaining items that can be sold. Some people would prefer to obtain the items through money rather than time and effort. Both are valid!! And some people would like the items as a reward for their time and effort and that's fine too. But the items don't need to be clanbound

Idk what brought out the passion in me this morning but for now I'm gonna hop offline for a bit LMAOO thanks guys love you all

As of now I don't mind clanbound stuff that can be obtained otherwise. However I see where OP is coming from. Imagine we'll keep getting gene and eye scrolls that are clanbound and you don't like them - thats a lot of unnecessary clutter for the hoard/vault.

People are already bypassing the clanbound scrolls; I really don't see a need for clanbound stuff. So support.

Support. Allowing items to move freely between users seems, to me, to be beneficial to all playstyles, allowing us to participate in whichever way works best for us while still allowing us to explore the entire suite of FR's aesthetic options.

Clanbound feels like a less user-friendly direction to go in, especially because we can never really predict what areas of the site will be accessible. What if a new fairgrounds game arrived that offered exclusive clanbound items? As someone who's been trying to convince the skeptical about G&G for months now, trust me, there will always be people who can't or won't play any given game.