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TOPIC | Economy vs. Exalting
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The reward for exalting non starter breed dragons. Does anybody know what it is? Assuming rewards are only level based that means a dragon with a 325k scroll who potentially sells anywhere from 100k-200k depending on genes and colors is absolutely not worth exalting whatsoever. This creates an endless cycle of undercutting. The economy is suffering right now and we all know it. That's to be expected from a game that is about perpetual breeding, right? I find the idea of putting a limit on how many times a dragon can breed absolutely ridiculous, so maybe we should try something more constructive. How about making the reward for exalting a certain percentage of what that breed change scroll costs. FR admin set the pricing for the scrolls so it would be assumed that they believe that is the APPROXIMATE worth of the breed.

We'll just use 20% as an example.

Starter Breeds - 50k breed change scroll
Reward - 10k treasure

Ridgebacks and Pearl Catchers - 250k breed change scroll
Reward - 50k treasure

Spirals and Snappers - 325k breed change scroll
Reward - 65k treasure

Skydancers - 400k breed change scroll
Reward - 80k treasure

This would help to stabilize the economy by creating a standard minimum for dragons. It would put a cap on undercutting because there's no point in selling a spiral for x when you know you can make x amount of treasure for sending it to serve your flight. At the moment there is absolutely no incentive for exalting those more 'desirable' breeds, hence the population issue.

It's almost like a pawn shop. If you're desperate you can in a spur of the moment decision, exalt your dragon for a gaurenteed 20% of it's approximate value. I pitched this idea to my friends and we all agreed we would have no problem exalting common and rarer breeds if this was the case.

The issue that we would run into now is that:

1. Imperials don't have scrolls
2. Wildclaw scrolls sell for gems

For these breeds, we could implement something based on rarity of the breed. Skydancer scrolls are 75k more than the common breeds and have 5 more days on their cool down. Imperials have 5 days longer than Skydancers and are one step up in rarity, so you could speculate if they HAD a scroll it might be in the 475k-500k range, putting them at around 100k for exalting. Wildclaws are a little tricky because the scrolls are a gem item. Instead of trying to slap a treasure worth on them(because it's all based on the current gem to treasure ratio) why not leave behind 20% of the gem value. 400 gems.

You could say:
"This will be abused! People will breed just to make money by exalting!"
This is what people do right now, except with the auction house. Right now the thing being abused is breeding. People breed whatever they can no matter what colors or genes because they want to sell sell sell and make treasure without working for it. Don't let desperate sellers ruin our economy! Instead, let's make an outlet for those people who don't have the patience to get the full worth of their beloved hatchlings.

"What about increased treasure for levels?"
I don't see why that can't be applied on top of this.

"We can't just assume what an Imperial scroll would cost"
No we can't but if Admin is into this idea they sure can!


Overall this idea is really meant to create a standard. It's meant to stop the inevitable fall of all dragon's worth to 10k each. This is more plausible than doing something like creating a limit for how many times a dragon can breed in it's lifetime, or making it so that dragons die(lol, no).

People pay a lot of money to play this game and if there's nothing to create incentive to exalt these breeds and leave behind something worth while things will only get worse. This horrible decline in the economy is going to leave users who have spent their own small fortune on gems feeling cheated and like it wasn't worth it.


Please discuss! I would love to hear what you think would work and what wouldn't.



EDIT: In addition if population and undercutting continues to be an issue(which it will, that's the nature of it) scrolls will no longer be worth buying in the first place which will significantly effect gem purchases as most people I know typically buy gems and then sell them for treasure to purchase the things they need. If a Snapper costs me 50k but the scroll is 325k, you bet your bottom that I'm not gonna buy a scroll. To keep the game worth playing FR Admin would then have to lower the prices of the scrolls(or not, but that would be so silly) which would perpetuate the problem.
The reward for exalting non starter breed dragons. Does anybody know what it is? Assuming rewards are only level based that means a dragon with a 325k scroll who potentially sells anywhere from 100k-200k depending on genes and colors is absolutely not worth exalting whatsoever. This creates an endless cycle of undercutting. The economy is suffering right now and we all know it. That's to be expected from a game that is about perpetual breeding, right? I find the idea of putting a limit on how many times a dragon can breed absolutely ridiculous, so maybe we should try something more constructive. How about making the reward for exalting a certain percentage of what that breed change scroll costs. FR admin set the pricing for the scrolls so it would be assumed that they believe that is the APPROXIMATE worth of the breed.

We'll just use 20% as an example.

Starter Breeds - 50k breed change scroll
Reward - 10k treasure

Ridgebacks and Pearl Catchers - 250k breed change scroll
Reward - 50k treasure

Spirals and Snappers - 325k breed change scroll
Reward - 65k treasure

Skydancers - 400k breed change scroll
Reward - 80k treasure

This would help to stabilize the economy by creating a standard minimum for dragons. It would put a cap on undercutting because there's no point in selling a spiral for x when you know you can make x amount of treasure for sending it to serve your flight. At the moment there is absolutely no incentive for exalting those more 'desirable' breeds, hence the population issue.

It's almost like a pawn shop. If you're desperate you can in a spur of the moment decision, exalt your dragon for a gaurenteed 20% of it's approximate value. I pitched this idea to my friends and we all agreed we would have no problem exalting common and rarer breeds if this was the case.

The issue that we would run into now is that:

1. Imperials don't have scrolls
2. Wildclaw scrolls sell for gems

For these breeds, we could implement something based on rarity of the breed. Skydancer scrolls are 75k more than the common breeds and have 5 more days on their cool down. Imperials have 5 days longer than Skydancers and are one step up in rarity, so you could speculate if they HAD a scroll it might be in the 475k-500k range, putting them at around 100k for exalting. Wildclaws are a little tricky because the scrolls are a gem item. Instead of trying to slap a treasure worth on them(because it's all based on the current gem to treasure ratio) why not leave behind 20% of the gem value. 400 gems.

You could say:
"This will be abused! People will breed just to make money by exalting!"
This is what people do right now, except with the auction house. Right now the thing being abused is breeding. People breed whatever they can no matter what colors or genes because they want to sell sell sell and make treasure without working for it. Don't let desperate sellers ruin our economy! Instead, let's make an outlet for those people who don't have the patience to get the full worth of their beloved hatchlings.

"What about increased treasure for levels?"
I don't see why that can't be applied on top of this.

"We can't just assume what an Imperial scroll would cost"
No we can't but if Admin is into this idea they sure can!


Overall this idea is really meant to create a standard. It's meant to stop the inevitable fall of all dragon's worth to 10k each. This is more plausible than doing something like creating a limit for how many times a dragon can breed in it's lifetime, or making it so that dragons die(lol, no).

People pay a lot of money to play this game and if there's nothing to create incentive to exalt these breeds and leave behind something worth while things will only get worse. This horrible decline in the economy is going to leave users who have spent their own small fortune on gems feeling cheated and like it wasn't worth it.


Please discuss! I would love to hear what you think would work and what wouldn't.



EDIT: In addition if population and undercutting continues to be an issue(which it will, that's the nature of it) scrolls will no longer be worth buying in the first place which will significantly effect gem purchases as most people I know typically buy gems and then sell them for treasure to purchase the things they need. If a Snapper costs me 50k but the scroll is 325k, you bet your bottom that I'm not gonna buy a scroll. To keep the game worth playing FR Admin would then have to lower the prices of the scrolls(or not, but that would be so silly) which would perpetuate the problem.
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+100% Support for this! :D
+100% Support for this! :D
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@Hekate Thanks!
@Hekate Thanks!
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@DIE THIS IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. Gosh, it would help the economy so much and prevent it from tanking any more than it already does. Maybe the AH wouldn't be so flooded all the time either!
@DIE THIS IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. Gosh, it would help the economy so much and prevent it from tanking any more than it already does. Maybe the AH wouldn't be so flooded all the time either!
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@Valyria Agreed, 1,098 pages of dragons on the AH? Ain't nobody got time for that.
@Valyria Agreed, 1,098 pages of dragons on the AH? Ain't nobody got time for that.
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@die
Bump!! I love this idea! This would mean 'ugly' dragons wouldn't immediately be despised and worthless. They'd still be worth a minimum! Oh my gosh I'm so excited by the prospect of a base minimum price for non starters! :D I' rather exalt than eff about on the auction house and undersell my dragons.

Base price for dragons- result? Dragons will be *worth* something again!! And forever!

Absolutely 110% support for this idea.
@die
Bump!! I love this idea! This would mean 'ugly' dragons wouldn't immediately be despised and worthless. They'd still be worth a minimum! Oh my gosh I'm so excited by the prospect of a base minimum price for non starters! :D I' rather exalt than eff about on the auction house and undersell my dragons.

Base price for dragons- result? Dragons will be *worth* something again!! And forever!

Absolutely 110% support for this idea.
@Lojo89 Thank you! That's what I'm saying!

Since this is a game where you just breed repetitively(don't get me wrong, I love breeding my dragons) the prices will drop beyond reason as population continues to grow unless we implement a method to give all dragons a minimum.


This shouldn't be seen as a way to create income based on exalting, but it is a fair way of giving fair rewards for dragons that are harder to obtain. It will lower the population as well as keep a steady economy.
@Lojo89 Thank you! That's what I'm saying!

Since this is a game where you just breed repetitively(don't get me wrong, I love breeding my dragons) the prices will drop beyond reason as population continues to grow unless we implement a method to give all dragons a minimum.


This shouldn't be seen as a way to create income based on exalting, but it is a fair way of giving fair rewards for dragons that are harder to obtain. It will lower the population as well as keep a steady economy.
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Support, sounds like a solid idea
Support, sounds like a solid idea
@die not gonna lie, it almost seems like a viable method of building treasure for a few nests for those with patience. Breed, exalt, breed, exalt. I'd probably have a pair that won't sell dedicated to this task.
I know you said it shouldn't be seen as a way to create income. I wonder of/how this could be prevented.

It almost seems like you could make back the money you paid for them if you exalted your own dragons. Hmm, I wonder if this is a bad thing or not.

Perhaps a cap on rewards for exaltation? Ie exalt a maximum of 10 full-reward dragons a week and any more than that gets a reduced treasure amount in a percentage reduction per dragon?? Or it could go down like 5% each dragon, so rarer breeds will still be worth more to exalt than commons but the reward will reduce???
I don't know, just a thought. I think a combination of both would be good. Especially the cap part or else people would go crazy like during dominance pushes and exalt everything without rhyme or reason, even the pretties ;w;
@die not gonna lie, it almost seems like a viable method of building treasure for a few nests for those with patience. Breed, exalt, breed, exalt. I'd probably have a pair that won't sell dedicated to this task.
I know you said it shouldn't be seen as a way to create income. I wonder of/how this could be prevented.

It almost seems like you could make back the money you paid for them if you exalted your own dragons. Hmm, I wonder if this is a bad thing or not.

Perhaps a cap on rewards for exaltation? Ie exalt a maximum of 10 full-reward dragons a week and any more than that gets a reduced treasure amount in a percentage reduction per dragon?? Or it could go down like 5% each dragon, so rarer breeds will still be worth more to exalt than commons but the reward will reduce???
I don't know, just a thought. I think a combination of both would be good. Especially the cap part or else people would go crazy like during dominance pushes and exalt everything without rhyme or reason, even the pretties ;w;
@Lojo89 The thing is profiting from exalting these breeds for said possible 50k each is no different than undercutting on the auction house for 60-70k each. You're still breeding on the intent of using hatchlings for treasure, but at least with this method the economy stays intact and the population is controlled. With this method people would be able to stabilize dragon prices at their full worth of 100k-600k (depending on breed, color and genes) while people looking for fast sells can go ahead and exalt if it suits them better.

MOST people are breeding for the sole purpose of making treasure, so I don't see how people profiting from exalting is any different. Like I said, at least this way people making treasure off their hatchlings born for the sole purpose of making them treasure are cancelling their dragons out by sending them away. It adds control.

Having treasure isn't a bad thing, it will increase sales and create a nicely flowing economy of buying and selling. Right now we are primarily sellers with few buyers and there is nothing to stop dragons from steadily declining in price over the course of this game's existence. Nothing will stop Imperials from selling for 50k a pop if someone decides that is what they choose to sell for. Adding this new incentive will help these 'rare' breeds to NOT become overpopulated in the same way starters are. They will maintain integrity, desirability and price tag.
@Lojo89 The thing is profiting from exalting these breeds for said possible 50k each is no different than undercutting on the auction house for 60-70k each. You're still breeding on the intent of using hatchlings for treasure, but at least with this method the economy stays intact and the population is controlled. With this method people would be able to stabilize dragon prices at their full worth of 100k-600k (depending on breed, color and genes) while people looking for fast sells can go ahead and exalt if it suits them better.

MOST people are breeding for the sole purpose of making treasure, so I don't see how people profiting from exalting is any different. Like I said, at least this way people making treasure off their hatchlings born for the sole purpose of making them treasure are cancelling their dragons out by sending them away. It adds control.

Having treasure isn't a bad thing, it will increase sales and create a nicely flowing economy of buying and selling. Right now we are primarily sellers with few buyers and there is nothing to stop dragons from steadily declining in price over the course of this game's existence. Nothing will stop Imperials from selling for 50k a pop if someone decides that is what they choose to sell for. Adding this new incentive will help these 'rare' breeds to NOT become overpopulated in the same way starters are. They will maintain integrity, desirability and price tag.
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