Flight Rising Discussion

Two years ago @Cutiepaws made a thread detailing the extinction of three digit dragons.

Now it seems that the four digit (#1001-9999) dragons are vanishing.
How many are active? And, among those active, how many can actually be bought/sold?

Results are on post 2. Pricing help is in post 3.

The final Breakdown

Active Bred: 7.88%
Active Gen 1s/progens: 11.38%
Inactive: 51.30%
Exalted: 29.44%

At the moment there are exactly 709 four digits that can be sold/traded for certain.
That said, it being possible for them to be traded doesn't mean they will be traded.

1,024 Gen 1s (most likely progens) are still active.
These are where many gen 1 imps seem to be hiding, which is a good thing for those seeking gen 2 imps. There also were plenty of gen 1 WIldclaws and coatyls in there.

A combined 7,267 dragons are off the market due to being either in inactive accounts or exalted.


These numbers can be updated in a couple years, but for now this is what we have.

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Here is the spreadsheet with dragon numbers in it!

Here is the key:

Active Bred: Dragons that are not gen 1 and are not 100% hungry.
Active Gen 1: Dragons that are gen 1 and are not 100% hungry. Most likely progens.
Inactive: Dragons that are at 100% hunger regardless of generation.
Exalted: Exalted dragons regardless of generation.

How it's done:
Put a "1" in the box that describes the dragon with the matching ID number.
The spreadsheet calculates the number of dragons automatically.

For example, #5191 is not gen 1 and not starving, so put a "1" in the "Active Bred" column next to #5191.

How to price a gen 4 Dragon

Typically dragons are priced based on several criteria:

• Age
• Genetics
• Coloration
• If they have been bred

Older dragons are often more desirable. The fact that she is three years old (four digits) means she is not a cheap dragon. That's because there are a limited number of them. There will never be more low-digit dragons. The number only decreases over time which drives up price and rarity.

I was offered over one million treasure for my four digit dragon and I turned it down. This is because I had sold a similar five digit (younger!) dragon for more than that. The right buyer will pay very, very well for a four-digit dragon. You have to know what price feel "right" to you. If it feels too low, it is too low. There is no hard and fast rule on older dragons.

Genes are things like breed and the primary/secondary/tertiary genetics. Most people don't care about the dragon's actual parents unless they're parentless or a gen 2 imperial anyway. Being parentlyess (gen one) or being a gen 2 imp tends to raise the price a whole lot!

Gem genes and gem breeds are more expensive to add so dragons with those genes tend to cost more. Breed changing or adding gem traits to your dragon raises the cost even higher. Some people will go as far as adding the cost of all gene/breed change scrolls to the price of the dragon. Some people don't. This, again, is up to you.

Coloration is obvious: people like pretty dragons. Having a theme or being part of a "subspecies" color group can help improve prices even if the color scheme is otherwise bland. Check out the Subspecies and Dragon Trading forums for ideas of what your dragon could be. Once you have determined if your dragon is themed or subspecies, mention it so others can know.

Here are a few examples of themes/subspecies...

• Green/Green/Red: Christmas dragon or Zombie dragon
• Orange/Yellow/White: Snowbelly
• Black/Black/purple circuit: Tron Dragon
• bright Purple/Yellow/Neon Green: Eyebleeder
• Pale green/Pale pink/pale green: Pastel dragon

The last one is the most subjective. Not being bred will drive up the price for very picky buyers, but not everyone cares if a dragon has been bred. I know I don't care. Most older dragons have been bred at least once so offspring are common. Having all offspring be named or less than ten offspring tends to help the price.

@Calib

Started adding a couple of dragons, as I'm also quite interested in this! However, shouldn't dead dragons in active lairs (e.g. 1990) be accounted for as well?

@starblaziing
That lair doesn't look very active. They come on maybe twice a month to post and that's it.

If they are active but don't feed their dragons (rare, but it happens) then counting them as active would be OK. The few I have seen like this typically mention so in their lair profiles. If not they at least tend to post at least one every couple days, if not more often.

I don't expect everyone to check every user to see if their lair falls into this category of "active but starving", though, so if you or anyone else just marks all starving dragons as "inactive" to hedge bets that is OK, too. Most people who don't feed dragons are in the "barely active" or "totally inactive" camp in general, and inactive doesn't really mean "Dead" so much as "very, very unlikely to be on the market any time soon".

Also if any user marked "inactive" turns out to be one of the starving but active people or becomes active you or anyone else are welcome to fix any mislabelled dragons. Posting here to let us know they are actually active would be helpful, too! :)

@Calib

I see, thanks for providing the detailed explanation. I went ahead and marked them as active, however, seeing as they've been replying to posts somewhat and have one of their dragons on the AH, which I assume would mean they'd be willing to sell their dragons.

Will do about the mislabeling!

Added about 100 dragons, will come back later. This seems interesting. To me its a surprise how many 4 digit dragons are stil active actually.

PS: Could you maybe add a statistics sheet at the beginning with all the 1000-9999 dragons counted, maybe also percentages? Just an idea, if may not be needed.

Edit: I kept laughing to myself because I always expect the dragons to look like... normal. But today is not the day.

@BzooZu
I can do that.

I actually put that one at the very end for now until we get the other pages filled up. This way those who want to help won't have to scroll very much to find a page to work on. It also prevents people from seeing wrong numbers right up front as we're not done filling everything in yet.

Once the sheets are done the totals tab can be moved up front for people to see more easily. :)

The totals sheet auto-updates as we get things done. No work is needed. Yay!

Adding a bunch to the spreadsheet now. This is a pleasant way to kill time, and also just very interesting to see the data on, so thank you. :D