Flight Rising Discussion

I was curious if anyone could help compare Ancalagon's size to Earthshaker's, in order to see who deserves the title of "Biggest Pop-Culture Dragon", although, mythology-wise, both are outsized by Tiamat (size is at leas the Earth + the "Heavens" so either the Solar System or the Milky Way) and the Midgard Serpent (Long enough to coil around Earth. The planet's circumference is about 40,075 km, or 24,901 mi).

@Requacy

As far as I can find, Ancalagon has no specific dimensions, and neither does the Earthshaker. One website I found puts Ancalagon's wingspan at about 10-15 miles across, and the LoTR wiki merely says "as tall as a mountain" when giving his size.

When it comes to the FR deities, I believe at one point it was said Earthshaker was the largest of all the deities in bulk, though Windsinger was the longest. It was also said that the smallest dragon god, Arcanist, was at least a hundred times larger than the largest Imperial.

The Earthshaker was able to put Sornieth at an irregular tilt with a powerful stomp. It's not confirmed how truly large Sornieth is compared to the Earth, but IIRC someone somewhere said it was a good bit larger than the Earth. In the cosmic history, there have been events that have tilted planets (Earth included), caused usually by giant pieces of space debris.

Earth was hit by unknown debris that put it at a 23 degree tilt. Then we have Uranus, a planet 4 times larger than the Earth, was hit by something so hard that the planet is now at a 97.8 degree tilt.

At some point in Earth's infancy, a Mars-sized rock slammed into it and that is why we have the Moon, which is a fourth the size of Earth.

We don't know the angle of Sornieth's tilt. But if it's more like the former example, we can still assume that the Earthshaker's stomp has power equal to a bombardment of meteorites. Ancalagon's greatest achievement is knocking over three towers in one fell swoop.

Conclusion: Earthshaker bigger

Alright, MATH TIME! [img]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/flightrising/images/b/bd/Earthshaker.png[/img] Thanks to this lovely thread (http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/2239281/1#post_2239281), we can guess/estimate that our Earthshaker's height is at 270 meters tall (+ Ghidorah 2019). To compare, thanks to my sister's Tolkien knowledge, we know that Ancalagon is a "mountain tall"although he's a Middle-Earth mountain tall, which we do not know. We also know that his death and fall from the sky destroyed the peaks of Thangorodrim, which, with its peaks, would've been the tallest mountains in Middle-Earth. However, as mentioned before, we don't know the height system of a Middle-Earth mountain... [img][img]https://i.imgur.com/rfTdE7S.jpg[/img][/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/kE5Md8p.jpg[/img] What we do know, however, is the size of a mountain on Earth. In the past, the USA defined a mountain as a geographic feature above 304 meters in length, although that has been dropped. Another commonly-used measurement is that a mountain is greater than 604 meters in height. However, for simplicity's sake to avoid finding the mean mountain height, we'll use the aptly-titled Dragon's Head in California, reaching the height of 3,312 meters in height. For now, we'll assume this is the height of Ancalagon. Dividing 3,312 by 270, we get the result of 12.26 repeating, which we can round to 12.3, which is about how many Earthshaker's Ancalagon is tall. Epic? Yes? It gets better from there. [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Conversation_with_Smaug.png[/img] (Note: In my drawing, it is an even 12 Earthshaker's which I did just for the sake of proportion) From this drawing of Smaug in [i]the Hobbit[/i], we can assume Middle-Earth's draconic proportions from him. From this, we can assume that, using his head, Ancalagon, if he has Smaug's proportions, is 15/6 heads long (I shrunk the tail slightly). Now, using my faulty drawing, we can use 1 Earthshaker to represent Ancalagon's head (although it is slightly bigger), without ears. While we don't know what his true length is, we know it is slightly longer than six heads tall, which is the Earthsaker's height, so we can also guess/estimate that Earthshaker's length is <= 270 meters. So, ~270 times 15 = ~4,050 meters long, and ~270 times 16 = ~4,320 meters long. This isn't just big, it is gargantuan!!! And, for our Imperial system using friends, ~4,050 meters equals ~13,287.4 feet, and ~4,320 meters equals ~14,173.23 feet! [b]BIG![/b] [img]https://i.imgur.com/CldQ6uS.jpg[/img] Next up, Tiamat and the Midgard Serpent, to compare.

[quote name="Iokharic" date="2019-10-10 14:23:03" ] @/Requacy As far as I can find, Ancalagon has no specific dimensions, and neither does the Earthshaker. One website I found puts Ancalagon's wingspan at about 10-15 miles across, and the LoTR wiki merely says "as tall as a mountain" when giving his size. When it comes to the FR deities, I believe at one point it was said Earthshaker was the largest of all the deities in bulk, though Windsinger was the longest. It was also said that the smallest dragon god, Arcanist, was at least a hundred times larger than the largest Imperial. The Earthshaker was able to put Sornieth at an irregular tilt with a powerful stomp. It's not confirmed how truly large Sornieth is compared to the Earth, but IIRC someone somewhere said it was a good bit larger than the Earth. In the cosmic history, there have been events that have tilted planets (Earth included), caused usually by giant pieces of space debris. Earth was hit by unknown debris that put it at a 23 degree tilt. Then we have Uranus, a planet 4 times larger than the Earth, was hit by something so hard that the planet is now at a 97.8 degree tilt. At some point in Earth's infancy, a Mars-sized rock slammed into it and that is why we have the Moon, which is a fourth the size of Earth. We don't know the angle of Sornieth's tilt. But if it's more like the former example, we can still assume that the Earthshaker's stomp has power equal to a bombardment of meteorites. Ancalagon's greatest achievement is knocking over three towers in one fell swoop. Conclusion: Earthshaker bigger [/quote] Oooh, interesting math. I used Dragon's Head in California to get a scope on the height of Ancalagon, which is extremely variable. With one mountain barely even being considered a mountain (Mount Whycheproof), and the other being Mount Everest, at a whopping 8,848 meters above sea level. It all depends on who you choose to compare. If I remember correctly, Middle-Earth may also have different properties than our Earth, considering that, like Sornieth, it has magic in the equation, alongside physics and the violation of the Square Cube Law. Then comes the problem of, thanks to different magic and different properties, how would each of our dragons react to their worlds? I need someone to check my math, imo. I'm a probability person, not a size person. [emoji=snapper confused size=1]

I think Ancalagon is larger. While the deities are definitely gargantuan, I don't believe they're as monstrous as people make them out to be. I don't think it was entirely the Earthshaker's size that fricked up the planet's tilt, but rather his immense strength and magic. Could be wrong though

[quote name="BananicornKate" date="2019-10-10 17:07:04" ] I think Ancalagon is larger. While the deities are definitely gargantuan, I don't believe they're as monstrous as people make them out to be. I don't think it was entirely the Earthshaker's size that fricked up the planet's tilt, but rather his immense strength and magic. Could be wrong though [/quote] Considering at the beginning of the world, he threw rocks that became mountains... I think of him as larger than the mountains himself.