[quote=Undel][size=3][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/bug/1012680/221#post_43672668]Note that we are working on an iridescent update for fae on colors 1-67 (the original pre-expansion colors), as they had black line art and pelvic bumps that are not consistent with the rest of fae art on site. So they have a true error, whereas the rest we are currently tagging as inconsistencies that we'll need to think about before [b]basically redoing the entire gene.[/b] Apologies for the long-winded explanation! Thankfully we do not hand color genes anymore aside from this one, so errors can be more clearly recognized as such and things should (hopefully) be pretty standard![/url][/size][/quote]
Probably jumping the water gun here BUT
Personally, I don't think any of the current color/shading consistency issues with iri/shim should be fixed. None. Not even the "harsh" shading on abyss or fuchsia. For a few reasons:
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[*]The colors have been this way since release, giving people ample time to become used to(or attached to) them.
[*]Following that, players actively enjoy the colors as they are. Outfits, genomes, and sometimes even lore are tied to the dragon's current appearance, every color and highlight. A color change could break them.
[*]It's a legacy gene that a lot of older players remember and use fondly. I've seen dragons specifically designed to look like early FR color/gene combos that would lose their significance in an overhaul.
[*][b]This is a gem gene that requires premium currency to acquire.[/b] A lot of people spent real money to buy the gene the way it looks now. Changing the appearance, even slightly, after who knows how much money has been spent could be disastrous. Some players even now seem legitimately hesitant to buy the gene out of fear it'll be changed.
[*]People who bought art of their dragons that matches their current appearance could find their artwork permanently off.
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I get that the art consistency changes are probably coming in preparation for a new modern, but surely the new modern's iri/shim doesn't need to look [i]exactly[/i] like every other dragon's iri/shim?
If not for a modern breed, why make it consistent now? Is that not the point of a gene called "iridescent," to change when seen from different angles?
[b]If there's a way to update the gene without changing the gradient colors, the highlights, and even the shading, then by all means, that's the way to do it.[/b]
But, I just don't think it'd be worth the PR nightmare to change the foundation of a gene that's been settling for around seven years now, especially not when this game about sentimentally collecting dragons is full of sentimental players who get angry when the appearances of their dragons change.
So, what are your thoughts? Are you in the "standardize irshim" boat or the "leave irishim alone" boat?
Probably jumping the water gun here BUT
Personally, I don't think any of the current color/shading consistency issues with iri/shim should be fixed. None. Not even the "harsh" shading on abyss or fuchsia. For a few reasons:
- The colors have been this way since release, giving people ample time to become used to(or attached to) them.
- Following that, players actively enjoy the colors as they are. Outfits, genomes, and sometimes even lore are tied to the dragon's current appearance, every color and highlight. A color change could break them.
- It's a legacy gene that a lot of older players remember and use fondly. I've seen dragons specifically designed to look like early FR color/gene combos that would lose their significance in an overhaul.
- This is a gem gene that requires premium currency to acquire. A lot of people spent real money to buy the gene the way it looks now. Changing the appearance, even slightly, after who knows how much money has been spent could be disastrous. Some players even now seem legitimately hesitant to buy the gene out of fear it'll be changed.
- People who bought art of their dragons that matches their current appearance could find their artwork permanently off.
I get that the art consistency changes are probably coming in preparation for a new modern, but surely the new modern's iri/shim doesn't need to look
exactly like every other dragon's iri/shim?
If not for a modern breed, why make it consistent now? Is that not the point of a gene called "iridescent," to change when seen from different angles?
If there's a way to update the gene without changing the gradient colors, the highlights, and even the shading, then by all means, that's the way to do it.
But, I just don't think it'd be worth the PR nightmare to change the foundation of a gene that's been settling for around seven years now, especially not when this game about sentimentally collecting dragons is full of sentimental players who get angry when the appearances of their dragons change.
So, what are your thoughts? Are you in the "standardize irshim" boat or the "leave irishim alone" boat?
if it does get redone,
and i know this would be asking to change a lot,
I hope the iridescence looks like this
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZIpg2Of.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/geZzHxF.png[/img]
edit: I do love my iri/shim as it is though. too bad its seems pretty hard to work with.
if it does get redone,
and i know this would be asking to change a lot,
I hope the iridescence looks like this
edit: I do love my iri/shim as it is though. too bad its seems pretty hard to work with.
I would hope that it's just left alone. yes, it's been a site wide problem for years now, and as a newer user, it's also the only way i've seen it. so i'd rather not prefer it redone, unless they showed us what it'd look like first and gave us a chance to react to it.
I would hope that it's just left alone. yes, it's been a site wide problem for years now, and as a newer user, it's also the only way i've seen it. so i'd rather not prefer it redone, unless they showed us what it'd look like first and gave us a chance to react to it.
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The errors that are referenced in that post are the ones of the original 67 colors, not the colors added by the color wheel expansion. The shading is outdated, and iri/shim has been updated on the newer colors, but not on the original ones. It's a fix that has been long in the works as far as I know, and plenty of people are aware of it as well. Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:
[img]https://www1.flightrising.com/dgen/preview/dragon?age=1&body=23&bodygene=1&breed=1&element=6&eyetype=0&gender=0&tert=103&tertgene=0&winggene=0&wings=2&auth=dc5e2267513b4b3fd514c927c875ec890f411112&dummyext=prev.png[/img]
A fae dragon with sky iridescent. Notice the lack of "shiny" white portions and the overall flatness of the color.
[img]https://www1.flightrising.com/dgen/preview/dragon?age=1&body=145&bodygene=1&breed=1&element=6&eyetype=0&gender=0&tert=103&tertgene=0&winggene=0&wings=2&auth=72757ace0c31095a6df2792477805073624fdd9a&dummyext=prev.png[/img]
A fae dragon with cornflower iridescent (one color up from sky). Notice the presence of the shimmery white portions that give the gene more dimension than the sky primary example, and the overall vibrancy of the hue.
Personally, I'm on board with the update. The gene on the older colors is outdated and bland, and could truly use the change that the devs are planning for it. The original version just did not age well, and doesn't really fit the name of the gene at all tbh. I see and understand the reasons that you would advocate for it staying the same, but I personally think it really needs an overhaul to be both consistent throughout all colors and to reflect the newer art style of the site. And if having the gene be completely redone is what has to happen, then all we can do is cross our fingers and hope that it's not drastic enough of a change to where people are rioting all over the forums lmao.
The errors that are referenced in that post are the ones of the original 67 colors, not the colors added by the color wheel expansion. The shading is outdated, and iri/shim has been updated on the newer colors, but not on the original ones. It's a fix that has been long in the works as far as I know, and plenty of people are aware of it as well. Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:
A fae dragon with sky iridescent. Notice the lack of "shiny" white portions and the overall flatness of the color.
A fae dragon with cornflower iridescent (one color up from sky). Notice the presence of the shimmery white portions that give the gene more dimension than the sky primary example, and the overall vibrancy of the hue.
Personally, I'm on board with the update. The gene on the older colors is outdated and bland, and could truly use the change that the devs are planning for it. The original version just did not age well, and doesn't really fit the name of the gene at all tbh. I see and understand the reasons that you would advocate for it staying the same, but I personally think it really needs an overhaul to be both consistent throughout all colors and to reflect the newer art style of the site. And if having the gene be completely redone is what has to happen, then all we can do is cross our fingers and hope that it's not drastic enough of a change to where people are rioting all over the forums lmao.
inb4 this thread descends into Discourse
I support a full-on gene overhaul tbh. It's probably the most wildly inconsistent gene around and maintaining a consistent quality and style in art is a very important part of virtual pet sites (with some reasonable updates over time as the style inevitably evolves)
Lots of the new colors have super strong highlights and insane saturation but several of the old IriShim colors are also not great. Many of the old colors on older breeds look almost greasy, or an XXY IriShim dragon almost looks like it has different primary and secondary colors because the gradients are so different and a little jarring. And I think after 7 more years of experience the artists would have a better idea of how to better get an 'iridescent' look that doesn't just look like a low-opacity gradient slapped on. It's a great gene in concept, but I kind of think the execution could be better.
If nothing else, they can make a few mock-ups of what a revamped version would look like on various colors and put up a poll of some kind (ideally on-site so people can't find ways to vote multiple times on some outside site to skew the results :v)
inb4 this thread descends into Discourse
I support a full-on gene overhaul tbh. It's probably the most wildly inconsistent gene around and maintaining a consistent quality and style in art is a very important part of virtual pet sites (with some reasonable updates over time as the style inevitably evolves)
Lots of the new colors have super strong highlights and insane saturation but several of the old IriShim colors are also not great. Many of the old colors on older breeds look almost greasy, or an XXY IriShim dragon almost looks like it has different primary and secondary colors because the gradients are so different and a little jarring. And I think after 7 more years of experience the artists would have a better idea of how to better get an 'iridescent' look that doesn't just look like a low-opacity gradient slapped on. It's a great gene in concept, but I kind of think the execution could be better.
If nothing else, they can make a few mock-ups of what a revamped version would look like on various colors and put up a poll of some kind (ideally on-site so people can't find ways to vote multiple times on some outside site to skew the results :v)
@Kairo
If you check the post, it says there are errors with both the old and new colours:
[quote]The first 67 colors generally have non-colored line art, wildly different hue shifts from dragon to dragon for the same color, and their highlights are a bit mushy. Many of the color expansion colors are more consistent from dragon to dragon for the same color, but have highlights that are too harsh, and some are pure white, which is not how iridescent should probably look.[/quote]
Original colour issues: Missing lineart colours, hue shifts, mushy highlights
New colour issues: Too-harsh or pure white highlights
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Kairo
If you check the post, it says there are errors with both the old and new colours:
Quote:
The first 67 colors generally have non-colored line art, wildly different hue shifts from dragon to dragon for the same color, and their highlights are a bit mushy. Many of the color expansion colors are more consistent from dragon to dragon for the same color, but have highlights that are too harsh, and some are pure white, which is not how iridescent should probably look.
Original colour issues: Missing lineart colours, hue shifts, mushy highlights
New colour issues: Too-harsh or pure white highlights
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Vendrus
Oh, thank you for letting me know! :0 I had no idea.
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Vendrus
Oh, thank you for letting me know! :0 I had no idea.
I'm actually in support of the overhaul. The difference between old and new colours is so big it's actually pretty annoying. And while I actually like the look of the original IriShim better (softer shadows and higlights), if we can match the old with the new, I'll take that. Though I'd also see a revisit to the new colour IriShim, as some shadows and higlights are a bit too harsh on those.
I know it's been in the game for a very long time, but it's still something that needs to and should be fixed, I feel like. Even if some of my own dragons are going to look different because of it (I do have quite a few old colours with Iri and/or Shim).
I'm actually in support of the overhaul. The difference between old and new colours is so big it's actually pretty annoying. And while I actually like the look of the original IriShim better (softer shadows and higlights), if we can match the old with the new, I'll take that. Though I'd also see a revisit to the new colour IriShim, as some shadows and higlights are a bit too harsh on those.
I know it's been in the game for a very long time, but it's still something that needs to and should be fixed, I feel like. Even if some of my own dragons are going to look different because of it (I do have quite a few old colours with Iri and/or Shim).
Honestly I just want the sheen to be fixed, it's just straight up ugly on Pearlcatchers in most cases. It's something that's been mentioned in the colorwheel update all those years ago, in the "[url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/ann/1880521]to-fix[/url]" list:
[quote][b]Known issues that will be corrected:[/b]
[LIST]
[*]Iridescent and Shimmer's sheen is at incorrect brightness.[/LIST][/quote]
The fear of it changing has been around since 2016. And yes, I've barely bought any IriShim dragons since, despite them being some of my favorite genes, for that very reason (well also because the "new" bugged IriShim does a much worse job at matching accents, something the original is so good for). For the last couple of years I've mostly been hoping for a "no we won't change it" from the devs, just to bring some closure to the issue, but if they're finally planning to do a long-planned fix, I'm all for it!
Honestly I just want the sheen to be fixed, it's just straight up ugly on Pearlcatchers in most cases. It's something that's been mentioned in the colorwheel update all those years ago, in the "
to-fix" list:
Quote:
Known issues that will be corrected:
- Iridescent and Shimmer's sheen is at incorrect brightness.
The fear of it changing has been around since 2016. And yes, I've barely bought any IriShim dragons since, despite them being some of my favorite genes, for that very reason (well also because the "new" bugged IriShim does a much worse job at matching accents, something the original is so good for). For the last couple of years I've mostly been hoping for a "no we won't change it" from the devs, just to bring some closure to the issue, but if they're finally planning to do a long-planned fix, I'm all for it!
