Flight Rising Discussion

So we all love ancient dragons, right? With the newest release of the Veilspuns we have a lot more of potential to gene our dragons. But thats not my point here. The point is the rule the devs set for modern dragons. This means one head, four legs, two wings and one tail. So two of our three ancient breeds, Gaoler and Veilspun to be exact, fit this rule and theyre Ancients, not modern breeds. They easily could be modern breeds since they fit the rule. Just the Banescales are the dragons who fall out of this rule since theyre missing a pair of legs, as they are Wyverns. To recap again, what the devs said about ancient breeds: [quote=Akiri]Since they don’t need to wear apparel, ancient breeds also allow us to break the “One head, four legs, two wings, one tail” template. For example, dragons like wyverns, multiple-headed dragons, drakes, and more! [emoji=guardian love size=1][/quote] As you can read there, Akiri mentiones things like Wyverns and Drakes. Yeah even Lindworms are possible. Don't get me wrong, I love the Ancients, but most of them just doesn't seem to fit as Ancients. What do you think?

I can't 100% verify the truth of this, but I've heard Veilspun fit the "modern mold" because the devs would feel bad if a Super Cool Rule-Breaking Dragon With Five Heads And No Wings was locked behind a 1000g paywall.

I believe gaolers fit the modern mold because they were the first ancient and were a kind of test breed to see how the userbase would react to the whole ancient concept.

To add to the above, staff confirmed that the next one would break the mold a lot more.

I'm of the opinion that they should really start to test the limits of the freedom they've given themselves with the designs of the ancients. Veils, I sorta get why they didnt, but I think they still should've to make it more worth the 1kg (not that I think they arent worth it). Banes are the only ones so far that have sorta broke out from that rule a little. It would have been better to go wild with gaolers to giive us a taste of these rule-breaking designs.

I wouldnt change gaolers, banes, or veils. I just wish they'd go a bit further with the designs.

if you think of dragons as a Familial name like with Canines (dogs wolves coyote)

Wyverns with 2 legs, or wyrm without wing or legs. are still dragons. Just different types.

I hope wind gets one long wyrm snake thing cuz that just seems neat.

[quote name="MaskofKeter" date="2020-11-26 01:37:43" ] The main goal for Ancients is to release more dragon breeds though, isn't it? [/quote] Essentially. They are a way to give people their 'new breed' fix more than once every several years. There was no part of their statement that said that they would all, or even most of them, break the rules on anatomy, just that is was a [i]possibility[/i].

from the veilspun design stream thread: [quote name="Undel" date="2020-04-12 23:25:29" ] Note: For some who are disappointed that this breed is not going to be breaking the traditional mold: We've heard you and are certainly going to have nonstandard anatomy on ancient breed 4. Ancient breeds allow us to create dragons faster than modern breeds due to not having to create the time-consuming apparel for them as well as every gene on-site (since they can't crossbreed). This gives us the opportunity to have non-standard anatomy and/or tertiary genes that break the mold because we don't have to worry about conflicting with apparel. Not every ancient is going to have extra limbs or a different body shape; however, many will! While we won't have non-standard anatomy on this breed, I can assure you that it will feature many line-breaking terts that the ancient breeds have become known for! [/quote] imo i feel like it's a bit tricky to define what an ancient [i]is[/i] with just 3 dragons - gaolers helped introduce and especially illustrate the concept by having a previous basis in the bounty of the elements lore, and though they don't have non-standard anatomy they do indeed get the more extreme terts as well as a couple of features that make them... apparel-unfriendly, i'd call it? (i'm aware tundras also have a big fur coat and that there's a few breeds that also have relatively small wings - but gaolers push it to more of an extreme) then banescales kind of break up the disappointment of people who specifically wanted the non-standard anatomy part from ancients - and then veilspuns intentionally keep to the basic anatomy scheme for reasons outlined in the quote above. but like gaolers they get a few other new, weird features (long manes, bug wings) that [i]sort of[/i] compensate for it? not totally, of course, but it's what sets them apart from the modern breeds we've had along with the line-breaking terts. but yeah in short there's no real 100% strict rules as to what defines an ancient in terms of design, so i find it hard to judge them entirely based on that. non-standard anatomy is a possibility, not a rule, and there's other things they can do with the design instead! (i personally love gaolers & veilspuns but felt banescales were a bit disappointing, so there's that i guess)

[quote name="Kapow" date="2020-11-26 03:14:48" ] if you think of dragons as a Familial name like with Canines (dogs wolves coyote) Wyverns with 2 legs, or wyrm without wing or legs. are still dragons. Just different types. I hope wind gets one long wyrm snake thing cuz that just seems neat. [/quote] I see a Spiral with just its front legs in my head right now XD