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TOPIC | Addition to Assay Bloodlines
I saw an old post suggesting full family trees which had very little support and I agree with why it did.
But! I think if not full family trees (which i agree would be a bit ridiculous and unnecessary and a lag on the servers) then at least show back to the common ancestor so you can calculate how many more generations of removal you need before you can breed back.

Example:
I got a radioactive triple from the AH, didn't bother checking to see if she'd be compatible with my spiral because I've never had/thought it'd be a problem.
And lo.
They had a common ancestor.
I lucked out and managed to figure out it was a greatgrandparent of the triple so either my spiral's next clutch (or that clutch's offspring- i get the exact number mixed up sometimes) should be able to be bred back to her, but for ancestors that have 50000 other offspring it's so obnoxious trying to find how far back a common ancestor could be.

So, I'm not suggesting a FULL family tree, just show the direct line how these two are related because that's all the information I'm looking for anyways. Not even any pictures, just names or a number @.@

Thoughts?
I saw an old post suggesting full family trees which had very little support and I agree with why it did.
But! I think if not full family trees (which i agree would be a bit ridiculous and unnecessary and a lag on the servers) then at least show back to the common ancestor so you can calculate how many more generations of removal you need before you can breed back.

Example:
I got a radioactive triple from the AH, didn't bother checking to see if she'd be compatible with my spiral because I've never had/thought it'd be a problem.
And lo.
They had a common ancestor.
I lucked out and managed to figure out it was a greatgrandparent of the triple so either my spiral's next clutch (or that clutch's offspring- i get the exact number mixed up sometimes) should be able to be bred back to her, but for ancestors that have 50000 other offspring it's so obnoxious trying to find how far back a common ancestor could be.

So, I'm not suggesting a FULL family tree, just show the direct line how these two are related because that's all the information I'm looking for anyways. Not even any pictures, just names or a number @.@

Thoughts?
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I believe you're looking for the "Assay Bloodline" option in the Scrying Workshop?
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I believe you're looking for the "Assay Bloodline" option in the Scrying Workshop?
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@Laigo Yeah, im talking about an addition to that.
It's great that it shows that they ARE related, but it doesnt tell you to what degree. And since a LOT of dragons seem have dozens and dozens of offspring, going back through the bloodline manually can take a very long time.
I figure since whatever the assay feature does already does that work for you, it could just show what it did to figure that out.
@Laigo Yeah, im talking about an addition to that.
It's great that it shows that they ARE related, but it doesnt tell you to what degree. And since a LOT of dragons seem have dozens and dozens of offspring, going back through the bloodline manually can take a very long time.
I figure since whatever the assay feature does already does that work for you, it could just show what it did to figure that out.
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Support! Just a number wouldn’t be too laggy, like “3 generations apart” so that you know they’d be fine two generations down! Tracking manually takes FOREVER.
Support! Just a number wouldn’t be too laggy, like “3 generations apart” so that you know they’d be fine two generations down! Tracking manually takes FOREVER.
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This seems like a reasonable compromise, support.
This seems like a reasonable compromise, support.
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This would definitely make breeding projects easier and it doesn't sound like it would be too much of an update, support
This would definitely make breeding projects easier and it doesn't sound like it would be too much of an update, support
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This sounds occasionally useful, yeah. Maybe make it a separate button so it only gets generated if the user actually wants it?

I'm not sure the number of generations is enough though: if X is a great-grandchild of Y, or Y is a great-grandchild of X, or X and Y are both great-grandchildren of Z, the number is still "3 generations" but in the first case X's grandkids(?) will be breedable with Y but not vice versa, and the opposite of the second case, and both for the third case...
This sounds occasionally useful, yeah. Maybe make it a separate button so it only gets generated if the user actually wants it?

I'm not sure the number of generations is enough though: if X is a great-grandchild of Y, or Y is a great-grandchild of X, or X and Y are both great-grandchildren of Z, the number is still "3 generations" but in the first case X's grandkids(?) will be breedable with Y but not vice versa, and the opposite of the second case, and both for the third case...
Okay I’m mad cuz I just wrote this WHOLE friggin thing with examples and stuff but my page refreshed and now it’s gone. I hate everything.

But @nika my conclusion was, it depends on whether or not the site bases the bloodlines assay on generational degrees of removal or degrees of genetic relation.
Generational degrees is easier to count cuz you just go back a number to a common ancestor.
But genetic relation gets murkier cuz that’s everything with what kinda cousin you are.
Example!
Breeding second cousins in the case of generational degrees wouldn’t work because they’re both only 3 gen removed from the same ancestor.
But second cousins have 5 degrees of genetic relation, with a similarity of just 3.13%, and that’s the same percentage of an individual to its great great great grandparent.

If the site goes purely by counting generations then we would need a number for each dragon in the assayed pair. Assuming we don’t accidentally use dragons from one line in the other when continuing to breed down, cuz then you’d be starting from square one with THAT one being the foundation for the branching bloodlines- all you’d need to do is keep adding generations until they’re separated by 5.

BUT! If the site goes by degrees of genetic relation, all we would need is that one number. If a pair has a relativity of say 3 (12.5%), unless you breed one of the pair with a dragon too close in the other’s ancestral line (which you could double check by seeing the degree between the one you’re bringing into the mix and the one in the pair you’re not breeding) it doesn’t matter which one you pick. Those kids will have 4 degrees of relation from the other dragon in your 3-degree pair.

Soooo it depends

Chart of Genetic Degrees of Relation - https://sites.rootsweb.com/~laetoli/degree.html
Okay I’m mad cuz I just wrote this WHOLE friggin thing with examples and stuff but my page refreshed and now it’s gone. I hate everything.

But @nika my conclusion was, it depends on whether or not the site bases the bloodlines assay on generational degrees of removal or degrees of genetic relation.
Generational degrees is easier to count cuz you just go back a number to a common ancestor.
But genetic relation gets murkier cuz that’s everything with what kinda cousin you are.
Example!
Breeding second cousins in the case of generational degrees wouldn’t work because they’re both only 3 gen removed from the same ancestor.
But second cousins have 5 degrees of genetic relation, with a similarity of just 3.13%, and that’s the same percentage of an individual to its great great great grandparent.

If the site goes purely by counting generations then we would need a number for each dragon in the assayed pair. Assuming we don’t accidentally use dragons from one line in the other when continuing to breed down, cuz then you’d be starting from square one with THAT one being the foundation for the branching bloodlines- all you’d need to do is keep adding generations until they’re separated by 5.

BUT! If the site goes by degrees of genetic relation, all we would need is that one number. If a pair has a relativity of say 3 (12.5%), unless you breed one of the pair with a dragon too close in the other’s ancestral line (which you could double check by seeing the degree between the one you’re bringing into the mix and the one in the pair you’re not breeding) it doesn’t matter which one you pick. Those kids will have 4 degrees of relation from the other dragon in your 3-degree pair.

Soooo it depends

Chart of Genetic Degrees of Relation - https://sites.rootsweb.com/~laetoli/degree.html
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@EmeraldViqueen As far as I know, it goes by counting generations! That's how we always used to check it back when Assay Bloodlines wasn't a thing. Encyclopedia says "the parents may not share ancestors or relatives within 5 generations", and I'm not super clear on what the "or relatives" bit is doing in there, but aside from that I think it's pretty clearly generation-counting.
@EmeraldViqueen As far as I know, it goes by counting generations! That's how we always used to check it back when Assay Bloodlines wasn't a thing. Encyclopedia says "the parents may not share ancestors or relatives within 5 generations", and I'm not super clear on what the "or relatives" bit is doing in there, but aside from that I think it's pretty clearly generation-counting.
@nika dang, ah well
@nika dang, ah well
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