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TOPIC | Gender reversing item
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Sometime, when you want a result, the stars almost align, and you get the genes you want, but the hatchling is just the wrong gender. It can be a bit infuriating. That why i suggest this item:

Scroll of gender reversing

What it would do: make a dragon become the opposite gender

Description: (idk what could be put here...)

What is your opinion about it? I mean... we already have gene changer and breed changer, so why not a gender changer?
Sometime, when you want a result, the stars almost align, and you get the genes you want, but the hatchling is just the wrong gender. It can be a bit infuriating. That why i suggest this item:

Scroll of gender reversing

What it would do: make a dragon become the opposite gender

Description: (idk what could be put here...)

What is your opinion about it? I mean... we already have gene changer and breed changer, so why not a gender changer?
For the love of everything, PLEASE do a forum search before suggesting things like this. There was already a well discussed thread on this topic on the second page. https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/2804179/1 You also double-posted this thread, just an FYI. Also... [quote]I mean... we already have gene changer and breed changer, so why not a gender changer?[/quote] Answer: [quote name="Jemadar" date="2020-01-07 22:15:49" ] [quote name="HeavenCrest" date="2020-01-07 20:49:55" ] I support this! As previously stated before me I think it’s fine if it’s hard to obtain. I get where some people are coming from by saying it would make the game too easy or boring but that logic could also be applied to gene change and breed change scrolls couldn’t it? Surely turning a tundra into a sky dancer to achieve your perfect dragon has the same impact as changing a dragon from one gender to another. Boring to some but rewarding to others. It depends on the user! But yeah, I support this [emoji=coatl love size=1] [/quote] Actually, the logic can't be applied to breed or gene changes. The only way to obtain new genes is to apply them to a dragon. If there were no gene scrolls every dragon out there would be basic. There are no 'random' genes that popup through breeding (thank you developers!). For breeds, we would be stuck with the original four, bogsneaks, two banescales each that would eventually flood the site but eventually pretty much stall out, because eventually, with only two of the dragons per player, each dragon would end up related to a good portion of the other dragons , and nocturnes. Again, breeds aren't something that can be gotten through random breeding (again, thank you developers). Instead, if you want breeds that don't come in eggs, you MUST apply a breed change scroll, same as a gene change scroll. You have the chance to obtain a male or female with every single nest you hatch, every single egg you hatch. Without a breed change scroll, there would be no skydancers on site, let alone a person be able to breed change their tundra to one. There is no need for a sex change scroll as such, because we always have the opportunity to gain one sex or the other out of breeding. I often see the comparison of breed/gene change scrolls to a sex change scroll, but they simply aren't comparable due to sex, both male and female, already existing on site and being available from literally any hatching, while genes are exclusively introduced through scrolls and most breeds are (some breeds do have eggs associated with them) [/quote] From me, no support for a couple reasons that were covered in the thread I linked. -it would make the game trivially easy, removing a large chunk of challenge from the main aspect of the game, which is breeding. -would require a recode of the entire breeding and lineage system to avoid completely breaking it. I [i]WOULD[/i] however, support a pose-change scroll that only affects the art of the dragon.
For the love of everything, PLEASE do a forum search before suggesting things like this. There was already a well discussed thread on this topic on the second page.
https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/2804179/1

You also double-posted this thread, just an FYI.


Also...
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I mean... we already have gene changer and breed changer, so why not a gender changer?

Answer:
Jemadar wrote on 2020-01-07 22:15:49:
HeavenCrest wrote on 2020-01-07 20:49:55:
I support this! As previously stated before me I think it’s fine if it’s hard to obtain. I get where some people are coming from by saying it would make the game too easy or boring but that logic could also be applied to gene change and breed change scrolls couldn’t it? Surely turning a tundra into a sky dancer to achieve your perfect dragon has the same impact as changing a dragon from one gender to another. Boring to some but rewarding to others. It depends on the user! But yeah, I support this
Actually, the logic can't be applied to breed or gene changes.

The only way to obtain new genes is to apply them to a dragon. If there were no gene scrolls every dragon out there would be basic. There are no 'random' genes that popup through breeding (thank you developers!).

For breeds, we would be stuck with the original four, bogsneaks, two banescales each that would eventually flood the site but eventually pretty much stall out, because eventually, with only two of the dragons per player, each dragon would end up related to a good portion of the other dragons , and nocturnes. Again, breeds aren't something that can be gotten through random breeding (again, thank you developers). Instead, if you want breeds that don't come in eggs, you MUST apply a breed change scroll, same as a gene change scroll.

You have the chance to obtain a male or female with every single nest you hatch, every single egg you hatch. Without a breed change scroll, there would be no skydancers on site, let alone a person be able to breed change their tundra to one. There is no need for a sex change scroll as such, because we always have the opportunity to gain one sex or the other out of breeding.

I often see the comparison of breed/gene change scrolls to a sex change scroll, but they simply aren't comparable due to sex, both male and female, already existing on site and being available from literally any hatching, while genes are exclusively introduced through scrolls and most breeds are (some breeds do have eggs associated with them)


From me, no support for a couple reasons that were covered in the thread I linked.
-it would make the game trivially easy, removing a large chunk of challenge from the main aspect of the game, which is breeding.
-would require a recode of the entire breeding and lineage system to avoid completely breaking it.

I WOULD however, support a pose-change scroll that only affects the art of the dragon.
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no support, as @/ShinyUmbreon mentioned it would make the game too easy, and what if one of a dragons parents was changed from female to male, does the dragon have two dads, or does it not apply at all? does this mean bred dragons cant be gender changed?

pose changing sounds fine, but for actually gender changing its a no
no support, as @/ShinyUmbreon mentioned it would make the game too easy, and what if one of a dragons parents was changed from female to male, does the dragon have two dads, or does it not apply at all? does this mean bred dragons cant be gender changed?

pose changing sounds fine, but for actually gender changing its a no
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[quote name="Snaills" date="2020-02-07 20:39:18" ] I think it’s a great idea, because it’s annoying when you see a dragon u rlly like and ur like wow I wish u were a man. Like.. By previous guys logic, that would mean there should NOT be breed/gene changes, because that takes away from the game since it’s based around breeding. :) therefore, breed to get certain genes and breeds. I feel that’s very odd to argue on when it’s generally the same thing... Just... Gender. [/quote] Did...did you even read the explanation of why gene and breed changing scrolls [b]must[/b] be available? They literally pointed out why they were necessary to the game the way its set up. You cannot breed for a gene if you have no dragons that exist with it on them, [i]unless you have some mechanic that can add it to an existing dragon[/i] because genes aren't randomly bred. You cannot breed for a specific breed if no dragons of that breed exist, [i]unless you have some mechanic that can create one[/i] because breeds aren't randomly bred. Thank goodness breeds and genes aren't randomly generated in each nest. There's no such thing as getting a randomly gened dragon out of two basic dragons. You literally cannot get a gene or breed unless it exists in one of the parents, whereas you [b]always[/b] get male or female offspring. You're making a false equivalency here. There are only two options for gender, and they both occur in any nest. It's only a matter of time and luck. Breed the parents again, and exercise patience. No support for gender changing scrolls, as always. I can and do support pose-changing scrolls, but not gender changing scrolls. And no, I don't support it for G1s either. That's part of the draw of G1s; they are a gamble. If you want a G1 of a specific gender, that's a self-imposed limitation. You could get a non-G1 dragon of those colors and the correct gender via breeding; that option is always open to you.
Snaills wrote on 2020-02-07 20:39:18:
I think it’s a great idea, because it’s annoying when you see a dragon u rlly like and ur like wow I wish u were a man. Like.. By previous guys logic, that would mean there should NOT be breed/gene changes, because that takes away from the game since it’s based around breeding. :) therefore, breed to get certain genes and breeds. I feel that’s very odd to argue on when it’s generally the same thing... Just... Gender.

Did...did you even read the explanation of why gene and breed changing scrolls must be available? They literally pointed out why they were necessary to the game the way its set up. You cannot breed for a gene if you have no dragons that exist with it on them, unless you have some mechanic that can add it to an existing dragon because genes aren't randomly bred. You cannot breed for a specific breed if no dragons of that breed exist, unless you have some mechanic that can create one because breeds aren't randomly bred. Thank goodness breeds and genes aren't randomly generated in each nest. There's no such thing as getting a randomly gened dragon out of two basic dragons. You literally cannot get a gene or breed unless it exists in one of the parents, whereas you always get male or female offspring. You're making a false equivalency here. There are only two options for gender, and they both occur in any nest. It's only a matter of time and luck. Breed the parents again, and exercise patience.

No support for gender changing scrolls, as always. I can and do support pose-changing scrolls, but not gender changing scrolls. And no, I don't support it for G1s either. That's part of the draw of G1s; they are a gamble. If you want a G1 of a specific gender, that's a self-imposed limitation. You could get a non-G1 dragon of those colors and the correct gender via breeding; that option is always open to you.
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no support, this would just make breeding even more trivial. I will forever support pose change scroll though.
no support, this would just make breeding even more trivial. I will forever support pose change scroll though.
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As always I am a huge fan of pose change scrolls which have far more uses than a sex change scroll and would likely be far easier to implement than a sex change scroll (which may require a complete recode of the lineage display system or require additional coding to exclude already bred dragons from using a sex change scroll).

A pose change scroll could be used for:
--"Same Sex" couples (although technically you'd have a male and a female to breed, you could easily change the pose and lore to make them same sex)
--Trans Dragons (hello Fiona)
--Allow you to have pure breeding pairs (which is absolutely necessary for ancient dragons), even if you absolutely detest a particular pose.
--Allows you to choose a pose that works best for a particular dragon (for example I'd love to use it on my Haku fandragon who is a male because Haku is a male, but the female pose in motion would work better for him)
--Does not affect the breeding pool for a dragon

A sex change scroll could be used for:
--Allows you to change the actual sex of a dragon and thus the breeding pool


Edit:
I am however a fan of an item that can be applied to a nest that would increase the odds of the nest hatching one gender or another. This would still make it easier to get a particular sex when doing a breeding project and yet would not have the downsides of a sex change scroll.
As always I am a huge fan of pose change scrolls which have far more uses than a sex change scroll and would likely be far easier to implement than a sex change scroll (which may require a complete recode of the lineage display system or require additional coding to exclude already bred dragons from using a sex change scroll).

A pose change scroll could be used for:
--"Same Sex" couples (although technically you'd have a male and a female to breed, you could easily change the pose and lore to make them same sex)
--Trans Dragons (hello Fiona)
--Allow you to have pure breeding pairs (which is absolutely necessary for ancient dragons), even if you absolutely detest a particular pose.
--Allows you to choose a pose that works best for a particular dragon (for example I'd love to use it on my Haku fandragon who is a male because Haku is a male, but the female pose in motion would work better for him)
--Does not affect the breeding pool for a dragon

A sex change scroll could be used for:
--Allows you to change the actual sex of a dragon and thus the breeding pool


Edit:
I am however a fan of an item that can be applied to a nest that would increase the odds of the nest hatching one gender or another. This would still make it easier to get a particular sex when doing a breeding project and yet would not have the downsides of a sex change scroll.
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No support as always because this would be game breaking and very likely requires recoding the breeding system.

I'd support a pose change item that just works as a cosmetic change though.
No support as always because this would be game breaking and very likely requires recoding the breeding system.

I'd support a pose change item that just works as a cosmetic change though.
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[quote name="DragonSage" date="2020-02-08 04:30:27" ] As always I am a huge fan of pose change scrolls which have far more uses than a sex change scroll and would likely be far easier to implement than a sex change scroll (which may require a complete recode of the lineage display system or require additional coding to exclude already bred dragons from using a sex change scroll). A pose change scroll could be used for: --"Same Sex" couples (although technically you'd have a male and a female to breed, you could easily change the pose and lore to make them same sex) --Trans Dragons (hello Fiona) --Allow you to have pure breeding pairs (which is absolutely necessary for ancient dragons), even if you absolutely detest a particular pose. --Allows you to choose a pose that works best for a particular dragon (for example I'd love to use it on my Haku fandragon who is a male because Haku is a male, but the female pose in motion would work better for him) --Does not affect the breeding pool for a dragon A sex change scroll could be used for: --Allows you to change the actual sex of a dragon and thus the breeding pool Edit: I am however a fan of an item that can be applied to a nest that would increase the odds of the nest hatching one gender or another. This would still make it easier to get a particular sex when doing a breeding project and yet would not have the downsides of a sex change scroll. [/quote] basically this
DragonSage wrote on 2020-02-08 04:30:27:
As always I am a huge fan of pose change scrolls which have far more uses than a sex change scroll and would likely be far easier to implement than a sex change scroll (which may require a complete recode of the lineage display system or require additional coding to exclude already bred dragons from using a sex change scroll).

A pose change scroll could be used for:
--"Same Sex" couples (although technically you'd have a male and a female to breed, you could easily change the pose and lore to make them same sex)
--Trans Dragons (hello Fiona)
--Allow you to have pure breeding pairs (which is absolutely necessary for ancient dragons), even if you absolutely detest a particular pose.
--Allows you to choose a pose that works best for a particular dragon (for example I'd love to use it on my Haku fandragon who is a male because Haku is a male, but the female pose in motion would work better for him)
--Does not affect the breeding pool for a dragon

A sex change scroll could be used for:
--Allows you to change the actual sex of a dragon and thus the breeding pool


Edit:
I am however a fan of an item that can be applied to a nest that would increase the odds of the nest hatching one gender or another. This would still make it easier to get a particular sex when doing a breeding project and yet would not have the downsides of a sex change scroll.
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no support. I'd say reasons but everyone else already said them. PLEASE forum search before posting suggestions.
no support. I'd say reasons but everyone else already said them. PLEASE forum search before posting suggestions.
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[quote name="@Snaills" date="2020-02-07 20:39:18" ] By previous guys logic, that would mean there should NOT be breed/gene changes, because that takes away from the game since it’s based around breeding. :) [/quote] Do tell us how we can breed Snappers and Coatls if Snapper and Coatls breed changes do not exist. Go.
@Snaills wrote on 2020-02-07 20:39:18:
By previous guys logic, that would mean there should NOT be breed/gene changes, because that takes away from the game since it’s based around breeding. :)

Do tell us how we can breed Snappers and Coatls if Snapper and Coatls breed changes do not exist. Go.
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