Alright so I know I'm not alone as a digital artist who, upon coming to FR, saw the adoptables forum and asked "what the heck is this?"
Most sites, particularly art communities, use 'adoptables' to talk about oc designs for sale, often in batches and sometimes on premade bases. For some reason FR puts almost exclusively YCHs in their adopts forum? It causes some confusion for people unused to the term being used like this and most likely leads to misunderstandings elsewhere as well.
Additionally, the stickied post is now nine years old and now honestly has nothing to do with the current usage of the forum. On a side note I don't even understand the originally intended usage? I haven't seen even a single current thread intended to post clickable characters in, haha.
My suggestion is to: [s]rename the current adoptables forum to YCHs (stands for Your Character Here, this is as far as I know the most common term for what the FR community calls adopts),[/s] make a new/updated rules thread with rules made for an actual YCH forum, [s]and make a new forum for adopts/design sales (preferably called Adoptables). [/s]
[size=2]Perhaps a new forum for clickables could also be created if there is any actual desire or demand for it? I would suggest it be titled Clickables or something similar but if anyone else has a better idea or more experience with those kinds of sites please feel free to say so, I'm not at all opposed to editing this post with updated info.[/size]
(For that matter, please don't be shy about sharing your opinions on this! Good or bad, I want to hear what people think! I can and probably will update this post if some part of my idea changes.)
[quote=edit][url=https://www1.flightrising.com/forums/sug/2814263/2#post_42091372]I have made an updated post here.[/url] It's also the first post on page 2.
To summarize it, I no longer consider the name of the forum to be unfitting (due to being informed on the origin of the term), but I do still strongly suggest that we get an update to the Adoptables forum, especially to the rules.
I'm not opposed to a new potential dragcave/pokefarm clickables forum if there's interest in it but I don't think that they should go in Adoptables.
I may bring a suggestion later on for a new art sales/design sales forum but it isn't a priority for this thread anymore, sorry for any potential confusion!! Please still feel free to share your thoughts on the idea if you'd like.[/quote]
Sorry if this post is formatted oddly, I wanted to express the change in my idea and the new suggestion but without leaving out the old parts for more context.
TL;DR: Flight Rising's Adoptables forum does not make sense currently and I think the rules need a huge update in its stickied thread.
I would support the addition of a new art sales forum for non-fr or general design sales but that is secondary to a rules overhaul.
Alright so I know I'm not alone as a digital artist who, upon coming to FR, saw the adoptables forum and asked "what the heck is this?"
Most sites, particularly art communities, use 'adoptables' to talk about oc designs for sale, often in batches and sometimes on premade bases. For some reason FR puts almost exclusively YCHs in their adopts forum? It causes some confusion for people unused to the term being used like this and most likely leads to misunderstandings elsewhere as well.
Additionally, the stickied post is now nine years old and now honestly has nothing to do with the current usage of the forum. On a side note I don't even understand the originally intended usage? I haven't seen even a single current thread intended to post clickable characters in, haha.
My suggestion is to:
rename the current adoptables forum to YCHs (stands for Your Character Here, this is as far as I know the most common term for what the FR community calls adopts), make a new/updated rules thread with rules made for an actual YCH forum,
and make a new forum for adopts/design sales (preferably called Adoptables).
Perhaps a new forum for clickables could also be created if there is any actual desire or demand for it? I would suggest it be titled Clickables or something similar but if anyone else has a better idea or more experience with those kinds of sites please feel free to say so, I'm not at all opposed to editing this post with updated info.
(For that matter, please don't be shy about sharing your opinions on this! Good or bad, I want to hear what people think! I can and probably will update this post if some part of my idea changes.)
edit wrote:
I have made an updated post here. It's also the first post on page 2.
To summarize it, I no longer consider the name of the forum to be unfitting (due to being informed on the origin of the term), but I do still strongly suggest that we get an update to the Adoptables forum, especially to the rules.
I'm not opposed to a new potential dragcave/pokefarm clickables forum if there's interest in it but I don't think that they should go in Adoptables.
I may bring a suggestion later on for a new art sales/design sales forum but it isn't a priority for this thread anymore, sorry for any potential confusion!! Please still feel free to share your thoughts on the idea if you'd like.
Sorry if this post is formatted oddly, I wanted to express the change in my idea and the new suggestion but without leaving out the old parts for more context.
TL;DR: Flight Rising's Adoptables forum does not make sense currently and I think the rules need a huge update in its stickied thread.
I would support the addition of a new art sales forum for non-fr or general design sales but that is secondary to a rules overhaul.
i agree!! i personally have a hard time deciding where to post certain things such as individual oc sales, things like that. i also wish there was a forum specifically for oc sales because i want to buy ocs with FR currency sometimes yknow? but the adoptables thread is all ychs. theres definitely enough room on the forum index to add in some new tabs and maybe having separate areas for oc sales would slow a little traffic on art sales and adoptables and give art shops just a little more time on the front page!
in regard to the sticky on adoptables, ive seen mods say that you cant post about clickable things like dragons from dragoncave and stuff?? i might be remembering that wrong or they might just mean outside of adoptables. either way i dont think that adoptables is an appropriate name for something like that as you dont usually advertise your clickable things for adoption, only for clicks
edit: read some of the posts below me and it does make sense for not as many people to use adoptable the same way as others. i just wish there were clear rules on where things go. like oc sales go here, ychs go here, commissions using same lineart, etc. like if i go look now i can find ychs in adoptables AND art sales and i can find oc sales in both as well. its confusing and annoying and i dont like having to spend so much time sitting and worrying im posting in the wrong place.
i agree!! i personally have a hard time deciding where to post certain things such as individual oc sales, things like that. i also wish there was a forum specifically for oc sales because i want to buy ocs with FR currency sometimes yknow? but the adoptables thread is all ychs. theres definitely enough room on the forum index to add in some new tabs and maybe having separate areas for oc sales would slow a little traffic on art sales and adoptables and give art shops just a little more time on the front page!
in regard to the sticky on adoptables, ive seen mods say that you cant post about clickable things like dragons from dragoncave and stuff?? i might be remembering that wrong or they might just mean outside of adoptables. either way i dont think that adoptables is an appropriate name for something like that as you dont usually advertise your clickable things for adoption, only for clicks
edit: read some of the posts below me and it does make sense for not as many people to use adoptable the same way as others. i just wish there were clear rules on where things go. like oc sales go here, ychs go here, commissions using same lineart, etc. like if i go look now i can find ychs in adoptables AND art sales and i can find oc sales in both as well. its confusing and annoying and i dont like having to spend so much time sitting and worrying im posting in the wrong place.
I think FR is truer to an old school use of the word "adoptable" from neopets and the like waaaaay back in the day. You draw a template and recolor it to look like someone's character--these were adoptables. And there were free-to-use linearts called "makeables."
But I don't disagree that YCH is probably the more modern term.
I think FR is truer to an old school use of the word "adoptable" from neopets and the like waaaaay back in the day. You draw a template and recolor it to look like someone's character--these were adoptables. And there were free-to-use linearts called "makeables."
But I don't disagree that YCH is probably the more modern term.
The different "art" categories do need a redo. As far back as I can remember (I've been here since 2013) the "Adopts" forum has been used like you said, for YCH style art, and the "Art Sales" has typically been more expensive art, like custom, better (more "professional") artists, real $, etc...
I haven't visited the adoptables rules in a while, but yeah... it does not describe the actual use of that thread, seems to describe something like dragoncave adopts, the click/grow ones.
If these forums get a redo, I think it should definitely keep at least these two categories seperate, the YCH/"adoptables" as current FR understanding has, and the "Art Sales" for non-YCH types.
If anything just an update to the rules/descriptions/sticky note for the existing forum categories
The different "art" categories do need a redo. As far back as I can remember (I've been here since 2013) the "Adopts" forum has been used like you said, for YCH style art, and the "Art Sales" has typically been more expensive art, like custom, better (more "professional") artists, real $, etc...
I haven't visited the adoptables rules in a while, but yeah... it does not describe the actual use of that thread, seems to describe something like dragoncave adopts, the click/grow ones.
If these forums get a redo, I think it should definitely keep at least these two categories seperate, the YCH/"adoptables" as current FR understanding has, and the "Art Sales" for non-YCH types.
If anything just an update to the rules/descriptions/sticky note for the existing forum categories
i definitely support, but also want to concur that the phrase "Adoptables" used to, particularly on forum sites, refer almost exclusively to what we now know as YCHs. YCH is a relatively modern term in this regard and i assume the developers were just used to what Adoptable used to mean all those years ago!
No support.
YCH is a very recent term and one that is used primarily in art communities not on pet sites. I wouldn't kick up a fuss if they did, but adoptables on other pet sites are generally exactly what they are here. If people can cope with the various names for gems and gold/treasure in different places, I think they can cope with a different use of the term adoptables, particularly one with a long history of meaning recolours. I'd rather not force the majority of a community - likely many of which, including me, have barely encountered the the term 'YCH' - to change just because some other communities are.
EDIT: YCH, in most places I've seen it, doesn't even mean what FR calls adoptables. YCHs start as a concept, and get a character drawn in using that concept. They aren't recoloured linearts.
Definitely no support for a separate non-ych adoptables forum. It would be almost entirely empty - another thing about pet sites vs art communities is that people are on pet sites for the site pets. Interest in premades is so low, and there are so many better places for it, that putting in a forum specifically for non-FR IP sales makes no sense.
Could roll it into art sales, though. It's still buying art, just Blue Peter style.
EDIT: The sticky needs to be removed or redone, I'll entirely agree on that.
No support.
YCH is a very recent term and one that is used primarily in art communities not on pet sites. I wouldn't kick up a fuss if they did, but adoptables on other pet sites are generally exactly what they are here. If people can cope with the various names for gems and gold/treasure in different places, I think they can cope with a different use of the term adoptables, particularly one with a long history of meaning recolours. I'd rather not force the majority of a community - likely many of which, including me, have barely encountered the the term 'YCH' - to change just because some other communities are.
EDIT: YCH, in most places I've seen it, doesn't even mean what FR calls adoptables. YCHs start as a concept, and get a character drawn in using that concept. They aren't recoloured linearts.
Definitely no support for a separate non-ych adoptables forum. It would be almost entirely empty - another thing about pet sites vs art communities is that people are on pet sites for the site pets. Interest in premades is so low, and there are so many better places for it, that putting in a forum specifically for non-FR IP sales makes no sense.
Could roll it into art sales, though. It's still buying art, just Blue Peter style.
EDIT: The sticky needs to be removed or redone, I'll entirely agree on that.
Wait, that's whats in the adoptables forum? I mean, I can understand that, but I didn't know that until now, lol. I'm not interested in buying/selling ocs so I never actually looked
Which I think lends to op's point
Although I'm not sure what could remedy that since some people call that sort of thing adoptables, and some people don't. If you, say, included both in the name of the subforum, it might confuse people...
Wait, that's whats in the adoptables forum? I mean, I can understand that, but I didn't know that until now, lol. I'm not interested in buying/selling ocs so I never actually looked
Which I think lends to op's point
Although I'm not sure what could remedy that since some people call that sort of thing adoptables, and some people don't. If you, say, included both in the name of the subforum, it might confuse people...
I definitely think the sticky needs an update (or removal). Though I feel like YCH is a lot more specific than Adoptables, which is what I'm used to.
Adopts on here are mostly mass-produced recolors, whereas with YCH I usually think of like... someone posts a sketch and then finishes it with your character, and then that's it. But it may just be a newer term I'm not used to. FR art economy is kinda weird in that most of our characters are dragons that more or less follow select appearances, so the demand for recolors of our dragons is very high whereas the demand for variations is a bit lower (but still there for sure).
Probably all of these can live in harmony under adoptables though. A premade adoptable in the sense you mention is essentially a petsite use of the word adoptable but pre-colored.
The thread I'm running through adoptables isn't a ych at all, in any way really. I sell little pixel cats but they're all preset characters. Which maybe would fit more in the new adoptables forum? I'm not sure.
There are also those sort of pixel gardens and such people put together that aren't really characters as much as... building blocks.
I think it's just sort of [generic term for non-unique art that is in some way produced in large volumes off of the same base].
But since it's so embedded in FR culture, it would be hard to change it now. I doubt a change in the name would make people change what they call it casually, and then you'll end up with a forum with a name that's different from what people usually call the art. While also having another forum using the name for what people are casually calling something else.
I definitely think the sticky needs an update (or removal). Though I feel like YCH is a lot more specific than Adoptables, which is what I'm used to.
Adopts on here are mostly mass-produced recolors, whereas with YCH I usually think of like... someone posts a sketch and then finishes it with your character, and then that's it. But it may just be a newer term I'm not used to. FR art economy is kinda weird in that most of our characters are dragons that more or less follow select appearances, so the demand for recolors of our dragons is very high whereas the demand for variations is a bit lower (but still there for sure).
Probably all of these can live in harmony under adoptables though. A premade adoptable in the sense you mention is essentially a petsite use of the word adoptable but pre-colored.
The thread I'm running through adoptables isn't a ych at all, in any way really. I sell little pixel cats but they're all preset characters. Which maybe would fit more in the new adoptables forum? I'm not sure.
There are also those sort of pixel gardens and such people put together that aren't really characters as much as... building blocks.
I think it's just sort of [generic term for non-unique art that is in some way produced in large volumes off of the same base].
But since it's so embedded in FR culture, it would be hard to change it now. I doubt a change in the name would make people change what they call it casually, and then you'll end up with a forum with a name that's different from what people usually call the art. While also having another forum using the name for what people are casually calling something else.
squid/winter | FR+3 | they/them | spelled squidra-gon (like octagon)
i gotta say i agree with squidragon above me, i think the term is embedded too far into fr culture to get any kind of change but the sticky should definitely be updated/removed, and there should be a clear space in either art sales or adoptables for actual pre-made characters
i gotta say i agree with squidragon above me, i think the term is embedded too far into fr culture to get any kind of change but the sticky should definitely be updated/removed, and there should be a clear space in either art sales or adoptables for actual pre-made characters
i need to redo my signature
casey/zoru - they/them
fr +3
mp100/spyxfamily/pokemon/loz/ace attorney
If this was gonna be a thing, it should've been a thing near the beginning of the site's life, not now.
And pre-made characters, I figure, ought to go in Art Sales since you're basically selling off art you made ahead of time. If I make something out of the crafts I do and then sell it, it still goes there. Doesn't matter if it's dragon related or not. So it goes with asking people to buy your OCs, I'd say.
If this was gonna be a thing, it should've been a thing near the beginning of the site's life, not now.
And pre-made characters, I figure, ought to go in Art Sales since you're basically selling off art you made ahead of time. If I make something out of the crafts I do and then sell it, it still goes there. Doesn't matter if it's dragon related or not. So it goes with asking people to buy your OCs, I'd say.