The problem: nest renting can be risky. Sometimes people go offline and don't breed your dragons for weeks. Sometimes people take your dragons you've been trying with for years and sell them for their ids or levels. I've used g1s to breed rare colours before - g1s I've spent rl money on to gene. Breeding can be expensive, and the last thing you want is someone taking off with your stock.
Bottom line: Once a dragon leaves your account on flight rising, it's not yours and there is nothing you can do about it. Nest rentals are not supported by flight rising's TOS and therefore if something goes wrong, you're left to start over.
I feel like we need an alternative to this usermade solution, then. Something that doesn't put you at risk of losing dragons. I've always disagreed with the elemental change dragon scroll that seems to be perpetually suggested here - that makes things way too easy for breeding imo and also messes with g1 hatches (imagine if they could all have perfect eyes...).
I am instead proposing a scroll that for one breeding only, changes one nest to an element of your choice. The nest would revert to its original element after one breeding, similar to how boons work for one breeding only. The scroll would be costly, certainly more than a nest rental (maybe the cost of a boon).
Perhaps more restrictions could apply to keep rentals and flight changes more desirable, such as only one nest being swappable at a time (so you can't have five arcane nests in a lightning lair), or a limit on how many eggs dragons on an element changed nest could have (it's a weaker nest as it's far from the core of its elemental region). This wouldn't be a replacement for something the userbase has created, but rather an alternative.
The problem: nest renting can be risky. Sometimes people go offline and don't breed your dragons for weeks. Sometimes people take your dragons you've been trying with for years and sell them for their ids or levels. I've used g1s to breed rare colours before - g1s I've spent rl money on to gene. Breeding can be expensive, and the last thing you want is someone taking off with your stock.
Bottom line: Once a dragon leaves your account on flight rising, it's not yours and there is nothing you can do about it. Nest rentals are not supported by flight rising's TOS and therefore if something goes wrong, you're left to start over.
I feel like we need an alternative to this usermade solution, then. Something that doesn't put you at risk of losing dragons. I've always disagreed with the elemental change dragon scroll that seems to be perpetually suggested here - that makes things way too easy for breeding imo and also messes with g1 hatches (imagine if they could all have perfect eyes...).
I am instead proposing a scroll that for one breeding only, changes one nest to an element of your choice. The nest would revert to its original element after one breeding, similar to how boons work for one breeding only. The scroll would be costly, certainly more than a nest rental (maybe the cost of a boon).
Perhaps more restrictions could apply to keep rentals and flight changes more desirable, such as only one nest being swappable at a time (so you can't have five arcane nests in a lightning lair), or a limit on how many eggs dragons on an element changed nest could have (it's a weaker nest as it's far from the core of its elemental region). This wouldn't be a replacement for something the userbase has created, but rather an alternative.
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Fandragons are in my den! Sometimes there's a few stragglers in my lair.
I'll support anything that allows users to temporarily change their nest elements, for the reasons you listed regarding nest rentals.
I would imagine it would be a Boon type item, since those are what alter nests.
I'll support anything that allows users to temporarily change their nest elements, for the reasons you listed regarding nest rentals.
I would imagine it would be a Boon type item, since those are what alter nests.
Maybe this should cost almost as much as changing your Flight altogether, because access to a specific eye colour is one of the only perks of being of a certain Flight (the only dragon appearance-affecting perk)
It’s true that nest renting is totally unsupported, but other users can be incredibly trustworthy (good reviews are important).
Maybe this should cost almost as much as changing your Flight altogether, because access to a specific eye colour is one of the only perks of being of a certain Flight (the only dragon appearance-affecting perk)
It’s true that nest renting is totally unsupported, but other users can be incredibly trustworthy (good reviews are important).
I will always support the ability to change a nest's element. Though I personally believe that an inexpensive treasure MP item or low level Baldwin item would be better. The more accessible it is, the more it'll get used, and thus more treasure would be sunk. (I nest a pair every day, and almost all my pairs don't work with Earth eyes, so I know I'd be using this pretty much daily.)
While people can be trustworthy, IRL events that can't be helped do happen, and you could still end up losing dragons. Also, even the most trustworthy person might not be a match for someone's crippling anxiety.
Even with this, your flight's eye colour will still always be meaningful. It marks the origin of your progens, and you wouldn't be charged for using native nests.
I will always support the ability to change a nest's element. Though I personally believe that an inexpensive treasure MP item or low level Baldwin item would be better. The more accessible it is, the more it'll get used, and thus more treasure would be sunk. (I nest a pair every day, and almost all my pairs don't work with Earth eyes, so I know I'd be using this pretty much daily.)
While people can be trustworthy, IRL events that can't be helped do happen, and you could still end up losing dragons. Also, even the most trustworthy person might not be a match for someone's crippling anxiety.
Even with this, your flight's eye colour will still always be meaningful. It marks the origin of your progens, and you wouldn't be charged for using native nests.
Support. I've always wanted a way to get another element's eye color (even if it's just contacts that are an apparel, because there are certain projects whose eyes I'd like to match the dragon's colors. A nest scroll like this would be great too. Even if this was implemented, there'd still be value in joining another flight, even if just for the eyes. If someone's entire aesthetic/project goals change, they probably wouldn't want to keep spending money on individual nest changes. It'd be better just to pay the large sum to switch flights. A nest scroll is great for those who just have the occasional project.
I have no plans to ever do a nest rental because of the risk involved.
Support. I've always wanted a way to get another element's eye color (even if it's just contacts that are an apparel, because there are certain projects whose eyes I'd like to match the dragon's colors. A nest scroll like this would be great too. Even if this was implemented, there'd still be value in joining another flight, even if just for the eyes. If someone's entire aesthetic/project goals change, they probably wouldn't want to keep spending money on individual nest changes. It'd be better just to pay the large sum to switch flights. A nest scroll is great for those who just have the occasional project.
I have no plans to ever do a nest rental because of the risk involved.
I'll forever support being able to temporarily change a nest.
Either with an item (even a Gem item, since it would be a luxury) to change the nest before laying (which lasts until the breeding is done) or a boon type item.
I'll forever support being able to temporarily change a nest.
Either with an item (even a Gem item, since it would be a luxury) to change the nest before laying (which lasts until the breeding is done) or a boon type item.
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support, I think it could be a single-use item so it only works for one pair. It would cost less than changing your flight since it is not permanent so maybe a gem marketplace item?
support, I think it could be a single-use item so it only works for one pair. It would cost less than changing your flight since it is not permanent so maybe a gem marketplace item?
This is always my favourite solution to the nest rental/eye colour problem. Full support. Making it a gem item makes particular sense because there is still a way of getting the same effect without gems, but paying those gems for it gives you the security. I wouldn't expect it to be super expensive, though - something in line with the boons.
This is always my favourite solution to the nest rental/eye colour problem. Full support. Making it a gem item makes particular sense because there is still a way of getting the same effect without gems, but paying those gems for it gives you the security. I wouldn't expect it to be super expensive, though - something in line with the boons.
I will always support something like this.
Even if you know the most trustworthy person in the world, someone who would never do anything wrong, and always be on time and up to date with things, things happen. Their internet might go down, they might get sick, they might lose computer access for a while. Even if nest renting were supported, I would want something like this because not everyone wants to deal with another person.
My sister works with people all day. When she gets home, she doesn't want to have to deal with even more people in order to play her game and enjoy it fully.
Honestly I do think it should be a more moderate priced item simply because it goes against lore (though it can be made to work with lore) and it also nullifies some of the reasons for flight change. Basically, I feel this should be something that is meant to be used to special nests, not really every single nest you hatch.
I would also prefer it to be a higher level baldwin item (or baldwin item in general) because baldwin, to me, doesn't have enough items that are 'recurring' brews (ie, you will want to brew them over and over again. You might brew a few genes, but unless you are selling them, you only need a finite amount. Same for nearly every other thing baldwin has because they can be applied to dragons permanently, thus you don't need one for that dragon again, unless you change it and want to reapply it.)
I will always support something like this.
Even if you know the most trustworthy person in the world, someone who would never do anything wrong, and always be on time and up to date with things, things happen. Their internet might go down, they might get sick, they might lose computer access for a while. Even if nest renting were supported, I would want something like this because not everyone wants to deal with another person.
My sister works with people all day. When she gets home, she doesn't want to have to deal with even more people in order to play her game and enjoy it fully.
Honestly I do think it should be a more moderate priced item simply because it goes against lore (though it can be made to work with lore) and it also nullifies some of the reasons for flight change. Basically, I feel this should be something that is meant to be used to special nests, not really every single nest you hatch.
I would also prefer it to be a higher level baldwin item (or baldwin item in general) because baldwin, to me, doesn't have enough items that are 'recurring' brews (ie, you will want to brew them over and over again. You might brew a few genes, but unless you are selling them, you only need a finite amount. Same for nearly every other thing baldwin has because they can be applied to dragons permanently, thus you don't need one for that dragon again, unless you change it and want to reapply it.)
I support this because it would insure that your dragons will stay with you without worrying that the other person won’t go back on their word. I had a friend who rented a nest only for that person to not only nest them but after they hatched exalted the pair and sold the babies. And another friend who rented was lucky to get her pair back but since one of the hatchlings had a special eye type the rented their nest kept the hatchling as their own without permission.
I will say that this should be a gem item similar to a boon item or a high level brew (like Level 20 or something) just so that it’s accessible but also need some investment :)
I support this because it would insure that your dragons will stay with you without worrying that the other person won’t go back on their word. I had a friend who rented a nest only for that person to not only nest them but after they hatched exalted the pair and sold the babies. And another friend who rented was lucky to get her pair back but since one of the hatchlings had a special eye type the rented their nest kept the hatchling as their own without permission.
I will say that this should be a gem item similar to a boon item or a high level brew (like Level 20 or something) just so that it’s accessible but also need some investment :)