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TOPIC | Missing Zodiac Familiar Suggestions
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With the introduction of the Astrological familiars this festival cycle, it's been clear there is one issue: one sign — specifically Capricorn — will be left out due to the lack of elemental festival during the season.

This was addressed in this thread, and in that very thread, Undel hinted that Fiona will be giving away the missing sign after the 2020-2021 festival cycle. This poses a bit of an awkward problem for three reasons: one, everyone can only get one of this familiar, as opposed to an undefined amount of familiars a festival cycle can hand out; two, Capricorn will be the only familiar not handed out during its season; and three, it is very likely you'll need to awaken all 11 other sign familiars to get the last one (this is speculation, but it makes sense when you think about it).

I would like to suggest alternative ways for this familiar to be handed out that make a bit more sense than Fiona's distribution.

Suggestion One: Give the Capricorn Familiar to Joxar

Giving the familiar to Joxar would allow all twelve astrological familiars to be handed out during the festival season. The goat would get a bit more distribution due to being a permanent addition to Joxar's stock, however, the other eleven familiars will be put in the Spare Inventory Crate's pool eventually, so they won't be totally retired. Basically, all twelve familiars can be obtained through Joxar, though some will be a bit more hard to get, and this is balanced by having a whole week dedicated to an event that allows the purchase of these familiars.

A bunch of goats will not be running around the site because Prismatic Tokens are limited in quantity, as each player is allowed one per festival from Joxar himself and the rest is from Baldwin, which requires a ton of materials and time. Most players will also only purchase one of these familiars, and the rest can be obtained through opening the Spare Inventory Crate.

If the permanent addition of Capricorn to Joxar's stock is undesirable, then Capricorn could also be quietly added into the crate's lootpool without making it available from tokens. The question then becomes how do players easily get their hands on this familiar in the first place like the other eleven, which brings me to suggestion two.

Suggestion Two: Galore & Baldwin

A simple option is, during the Capricorn season, Galore can give out one or two copies of the familiar to everyone who visits the site in a week period. This is a rather standard idea and does not involve the potential labor that Fiona will give.

Another option is to handle the Capricorn familiar similar to anniversary familiars. The option to brew the familiar can be made available in Baldwin for a week in the Capricorn season.

If the developers are feeling generous, they can do both, the same exact way anniversary familiars are handed: one as a gift, extra copies optional through brewing.

Capricorn could also be added to Joxar's crate afterwards, if deemed appropriate.

Suggestion Three: Mimic Powder

Courtesy of Fouguri, a Night of the Nocturne option is to open up Joxar for a week during the event and allow users to trade Mimic Powder to purchase the familiar. If it is illogical to open Joxar (as he's never been open during the event), then a Swipp trade involving Mimic Powder would also work.

I will admit that these suggestions are inspired by my desire to hoard this specific familiar, as my sign is Capricorn. For that reason I'm not too much of a fan of them being limited one per player, but I suppose if Fiona hands them out then I'll have to deal with it.
With the introduction of the Astrological familiars this festival cycle, it's been clear there is one issue: one sign — specifically Capricorn — will be left out due to the lack of elemental festival during the season.

This was addressed in this thread, and in that very thread, Undel hinted that Fiona will be giving away the missing sign after the 2020-2021 festival cycle. This poses a bit of an awkward problem for three reasons: one, everyone can only get one of this familiar, as opposed to an undefined amount of familiars a festival cycle can hand out; two, Capricorn will be the only familiar not handed out during its season; and three, it is very likely you'll need to awaken all 11 other sign familiars to get the last one (this is speculation, but it makes sense when you think about it).

I would like to suggest alternative ways for this familiar to be handed out that make a bit more sense than Fiona's distribution.

Suggestion One: Give the Capricorn Familiar to Joxar

Giving the familiar to Joxar would allow all twelve astrological familiars to be handed out during the festival season. The goat would get a bit more distribution due to being a permanent addition to Joxar's stock, however, the other eleven familiars will be put in the Spare Inventory Crate's pool eventually, so they won't be totally retired. Basically, all twelve familiars can be obtained through Joxar, though some will be a bit more hard to get, and this is balanced by having a whole week dedicated to an event that allows the purchase of these familiars.

A bunch of goats will not be running around the site because Prismatic Tokens are limited in quantity, as each player is allowed one per festival from Joxar himself and the rest is from Baldwin, which requires a ton of materials and time. Most players will also only purchase one of these familiars, and the rest can be obtained through opening the Spare Inventory Crate.

If the permanent addition of Capricorn to Joxar's stock is undesirable, then Capricorn could also be quietly added into the crate's lootpool without making it available from tokens. The question then becomes how do players easily get their hands on this familiar in the first place like the other eleven, which brings me to suggestion two.

Suggestion Two: Galore & Baldwin

A simple option is, during the Capricorn season, Galore can give out one or two copies of the familiar to everyone who visits the site in a week period. This is a rather standard idea and does not involve the potential labor that Fiona will give.

Another option is to handle the Capricorn familiar similar to anniversary familiars. The option to brew the familiar can be made available in Baldwin for a week in the Capricorn season.

If the developers are feeling generous, they can do both, the same exact way anniversary familiars are handed: one as a gift, extra copies optional through brewing.

Capricorn could also be added to Joxar's crate afterwards, if deemed appropriate.

Suggestion Three: Mimic Powder

Courtesy of Fouguri, a Night of the Nocturne option is to open up Joxar for a week during the event and allow users to trade Mimic Powder to purchase the familiar. If it is illogical to open Joxar (as he's never been open during the event), then a Swipp trade involving Mimic Powder would also work.

I will admit that these suggestions are inspired by my desire to hoard this specific familiar, as my sign is Capricorn. For that reason I'm not too much of a fan of them being limited one per player, but I suppose if Fiona hands them out then I'll have to deal with it.
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I like these ideas, and they could still include Fiona by saying that she's working together with the other NPCs to give out the familiar.
I like these ideas, and they could still include Fiona by saying that she's working together with the other NPCs to give out the familiar.
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Honestly I don’t see the issue with it being a Fiona exclusive familiar— you only need one familiar (You can only attach one copy of the familiar) and it’s not a huge deal if you have to awaken each familiar to get this one. It’s quite possible that that they may be a bit more generous with this one and allow you to unlock it three times (one for each feat) or after it’s been with Fiona a while it be added to Joxar
Honestly I don’t see the issue with it being a Fiona exclusive familiar— you only need one familiar (You can only attach one copy of the familiar) and it’s not a huge deal if you have to awaken each familiar to get this one. It’s quite possible that that they may be a bit more generous with this one and allow you to unlock it three times (one for each feat) or after it’s been with Fiona a while it be added to Joxar
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[quote name="DragonSage" date="2020-06-21 14:49:43"]Honestly I don’t see the issue with it being a Fiona exclusive familiar— you only need one familiar (You can only attach one copy of the familiar)[/quote] This is fair, however the option to brew more has always been available for anniversary familiars, so the option to have more isn't really a bad thing to want.
DragonSage wrote on 2020-06-21 14:49:43:
Honestly I don’t see the issue with it being a Fiona exclusive familiar— you only need one familiar (You can only attach one copy of the familiar)
This is fair, however the option to brew more has always been available for anniversary familiars, so the option to have more isn't really a bad thing to want.
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I'll say what I've believed the comment means to imply, that you get a Capricorn for each other zodiac familiar. Meaning each familiar reaching a certain bond level (we have gotten familiars for less than awakened so I feel there isn't much issue with setting them at different level) will reward you with a Capricorn. I feel this is more than fair as it feels like the average grind someone would do for a fest familiar anyway.

I personally like the idea of having them as NoTN chest fams that can drop semi-frequently and then retire to Joxar after that NoTN. I think a lot of people jumped on the 'one and done' idea with Fiona when they're fully capable of implementing more than one reward. I also see them combining certain ideas, such as dropping one into Fiona and giving a few out through Galore.

I'm more concerned about what flight it'll be aligned to in this case. Are we getting a repeat? Will it be a neutral? Beastclans? I trust the staff to make a good decision on how to handle Capricorn's distribution. Hell throwing three into Galore for everyone would be fine by me, like OP suggested. I think that's kinda more than fair. I'm more curious about how we're dealing with the idea of the elemental alignments.
I'll say what I've believed the comment means to imply, that you get a Capricorn for each other zodiac familiar. Meaning each familiar reaching a certain bond level (we have gotten familiars for less than awakened so I feel there isn't much issue with setting them at different level) will reward you with a Capricorn. I feel this is more than fair as it feels like the average grind someone would do for a fest familiar anyway.

I personally like the idea of having them as NoTN chest fams that can drop semi-frequently and then retire to Joxar after that NoTN. I think a lot of people jumped on the 'one and done' idea with Fiona when they're fully capable of implementing more than one reward. I also see them combining certain ideas, such as dropping one into Fiona and giving a few out through Galore.

I'm more concerned about what flight it'll be aligned to in this case. Are we getting a repeat? Will it be a neutral? Beastclans? I trust the staff to make a good decision on how to handle Capricorn's distribution. Hell throwing three into Galore for everyone would be fine by me, like OP suggested. I think that's kinda more than fair. I'm more curious about how we're dealing with the idea of the elemental alignments.
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I want an Ophiuchus zodiac too. If we went by the 13 zodiac cycle, Ophiuchus is my actual sign, and I feel its traits fit me WAY better than Sagittarius.

Based on the original post in this suggestion, if I had a choice, I'd like to see both Capricorn and Ophiuchus handed out via Suggestion #2.
I want an Ophiuchus zodiac too. If we went by the 13 zodiac cycle, Ophiuchus is my actual sign, and I feel its traits fit me WAY better than Sagittarius.

Based on the original post in this suggestion, if I had a choice, I'd like to see both Capricorn and Ophiuchus handed out via Suggestion #2.
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I like the Galore/Baldwin idea for Capricorn. It wouldn't feel right if it wasn't released during December. So support for that.

Even though Ophiuchus isn't actually part of the zodiac I think that'd be better for Fiona instead of Capricorn.
I like the Galore/Baldwin idea for Capricorn. It wouldn't feel right if it wasn't released during December. So support for that.

Even though Ophiuchus isn't actually part of the zodiac I think that'd be better for Fiona instead of Capricorn.
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[color=#009E9B]Support for reasons I mentioned in the other post; [quote name="Voltzinar" date="2020-06-21 17:07:11" ] [color=#009E9B]Not a Capricorn but I definitely agree. One zodiac familiar being released through Fiona as a recolor feels unbalanced somehow (because they're so "personal" I guess), especially if you can only get one per account that way. Would we need the entire elemental Zodiac familiar set to be Ascended in order to even obtain it? That doesn't seem very fair for Capricorns regardless of flight that they're in when it could just be released through Baldwin during one of the NotN weeks or even through Galore as a gift. [color=#65DBCC][b]Edit[/b]:[/color][color=#009E9B]Another alternative could just be releasing the Capricorn drop in Joxar, but if there are intentions to retire it after the 2021 holiday this might not be a very balanced option either, unless there are plans to retire/cycle Joxar items too in the future. [/quote]
Support for reasons I mentioned in the other post;
Voltzinar wrote on 2020-06-21 17:07:11:
Not a Capricorn but I definitely agree. One zodiac familiar being released through Fiona as a recolor feels unbalanced somehow (because they're so "personal" I guess), especially if you can only get one per account that way.

Would we need the entire elemental Zodiac familiar set to be Ascended in order to even obtain it? That doesn't seem very fair for Capricorns regardless of flight that they're in when it could just be released through Baldwin during one of the NotN weeks or even through Galore as a gift.

Edit:Another alternative could just be releasing the Capricorn drop in Joxar, but if there are intentions to retire it after the 2021 holiday this might not be a very balanced option either, unless there are plans to retire/cycle Joxar items too in the future.

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I think I like the idea of Capricorn being issued via NOTN either as a brewable or a chest drop before being retired to Joxar same as the others the best. That way it appears during its proper month and more or less retains the same value.

Definitely love the idea of Ophiuchus being a Fiona prize!
I think I like the idea of Capricorn being issued via NOTN either as a brewable or a chest drop before being retired to Joxar same as the others the best. That way it appears during its proper month and more or less retains the same value.

Definitely love the idea of Ophiuchus being a Fiona prize!
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[quote name="@DragonSage" date="2020-06-21 14:49:43" ] Honestly I don’t see the issue with it being a Fiona exclusive familiar— you only need one familiar (You can only attach one copy of the familiar) and it’s not a huge deal if you have to awaken each familiar to get this one. It’s quite possible that that they may be a bit more generous with this one and allow you to unlock it three times (one for each feat) or after it’s been with Fiona a while it be added to Joxar [/quote] yeah, but if i or another user wants like 22 copies of the capricorn familiar for hoarding purposes or because they just really like the art or whatever other reason, they should be able to do so. also, maybe as a capricorn i don't want the other 11 familiars, just the capricorn one. it just doesn't feel right to me for capricorn/whatever other sign might not get an elemental familiar to not have the same... opportunities or whatnot. (not quite the right word but i'm sure you get it.) plus it'll take at least ~3 months to get the familiar through fiona even if you decide to get the other 11. that's a long damn time for one familiar that other people got their equivalent of in like 10 seconds.
@DragonSage wrote on 2020-06-21 14:49:43:
Honestly I don’t see the issue with it being a Fiona exclusive familiar— you only need one familiar (You can only attach one copy of the familiar) and it’s not a huge deal if you have to awaken each familiar to get this one. It’s quite possible that that they may be a bit more generous with this one and allow you to unlock it three times (one for each feat) or after it’s been with Fiona a while it be added to Joxar

yeah, but if i or another user wants like 22 copies of the capricorn familiar for hoarding purposes or because they just really like the art or whatever other reason, they should be able to do so. also, maybe as a capricorn i don't want the other 11 familiars, just the capricorn one.

it just doesn't feel right to me for capricorn/whatever other sign might not get an elemental familiar to not have the same... opportunities or whatnot. (not quite the right word but i'm sure you get it.)

plus it'll take at least ~3 months to get the familiar through fiona even if you decide to get the other 11. that's a long damn time for one familiar that other people got their equivalent of in like 10 seconds.
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