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[color=green]Minor but the description is kinda weird for FR when the staff are so strict about the site's contents? idk tossing this out here, see what people think [item=Tawny Antlers][item=Ebony Antlers][item=Bone Antlers] "Nice rack, but they probably aren't natural." Some posts from other users with further details/reasons to change the description:[/color] [quote=lightsgodown]it's not that it's offensive, it's that it's maybe not an appropriate joke. after all the admins are pretty strict about the content on FR being super clean or whatever bc a good portion of the userbase are minors, and the description on the antlers seems out of place.[/quote] [quote=Crowbar]Women are commonly derided and mocked for seeking breast enhancement, and this "harmless joke" only perpetuates that. It's small, but contributes to a larger whole of hostility. The whole conception that women only seek out enhancement for the sake of their vanity, when it's just as often to overcome body dismorphia and other self-anxieties. ... Breast augmentation may be for: - To restore change in breast size after pregnancy - To restore breasts after mastectomy - To even the sizes of the breasts - To restore breast appearance after weight loss - To achieve the desired gender appearance when transitioning So many reasons that are for the purpose of restoring self-confidence, body image, and easing anxiety and NOT "teehee bigger boobs make me hot." Do you not think that many people suffer anxiety for baldness and height? Things that are out of their control that they are derided for but because it's "vain" correcting the issue is a reason to mock and joke at them? [b]Why should improving ones appearance make them a target for mockery?[/b][/quote] [color=green]And since people keep mentioning my account age, I've been away for a while so when I came back I had a fresh perspective, y'know? And a personal perspective, from a post in here:[/color] [quote=Rhea]I just figured it was odd because FR can be pretty strict with its content and the description is innuendo for boobs (and as innuendo is meant to go over some people's heads). On a more personal level, it's also something I can't imagine ever saying to anyone IRL, I've never encountered a situation where I wanted to comment on someone's breasts or speculate if they were fake, even when not in polite company. So when I came back to FR and saw the description I went "huh, you know, that's a little weird", made a thread, and, well. That's gone smashingly.[/quote]
Minor but the description is kinda weird for FR when the staff are so strict about the site's contents? idk tossing this out here, see what people think

Tawny Antlers Ebony Antlers Bone Antlers

"Nice rack, but they probably aren't natural."



Some posts from other users with further details/reasons to change the description:

lightsgodown wrote:
it's not that it's offensive, it's that it's maybe not an appropriate joke. after all the admins are pretty strict about the content on FR being super clean or whatever bc a good portion of the userbase are minors, and the description on the antlers seems out of place.
Crowbar wrote:
Women are commonly derided and mocked for seeking breast enhancement, and this "harmless joke" only perpetuates that. It's small, but contributes to a larger whole of hostility. The whole conception that women only seek out enhancement for the sake of their vanity, when it's just as often to overcome body dismorphia and other self-anxieties.

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Breast augmentation may be for:
- To restore change in breast size after pregnancy
- To restore breasts after mastectomy
- To even the sizes of the breasts
- To restore breast appearance after weight loss
- To achieve the desired gender appearance when transitioning
So many reasons that are for the purpose of restoring self-confidence, body image, and easing anxiety and NOT "teehee bigger boobs make me hot." Do you not think that many people suffer anxiety for baldness and height? Things that are out of their control that they are derided for but because it's "vain" correcting the issue is a reason to mock and joke at them? Why should improving ones appearance make them a target for mockery?


And since people keep mentioning my account age, I've been away for a while so when I came back I had a fresh perspective, y'know? And a personal perspective, from a post in here:
Rhea wrote:
I just figured it was odd because FR can be pretty strict with its content and the description is innuendo for boobs (and as innuendo is meant to go over some people's heads). On a more personal level, it's also something I can't imagine ever saying to anyone IRL, I've never encountered a situation where I wanted to comment on someone's breasts or speculate if they were fake, even when not in polite company. So when I came back to FR and saw the description I went "huh, you know, that's a little weird", made a thread, and, well. That's gone smashingly.
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No support, it's just a joke. I don't want every joke that's remotely "offensive" to be scrubbed from the site.
No support, it's just a joke. I don't want every joke that's remotely "offensive" to be scrubbed from the site.
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@EiraoLaska it's not that it's offensive, it's that it's maybe not an appropriate joke. after all the admins are pretty strict about the content on FR being super clean or whatever bc a good portion of the userbase are minors, and the description on the antlers seems out of place. support to the the original suggestion - if that sort of joke was made on the forums by a user it would definitely get edited by the mods, so either change the description or change FR's standards a lil bit. edit - okay, so i'm seeing a lot of good points made here, and honestly? starting to agree with some of them. especially the "rack is literally another word for antler" and "it's not actually casting judgement on anyone." one thing i have to disagree with though is the "13 year olds have heard worse so it's ok." like yeah it's ok but for different reasons?? for example every single 13 year old i've met swears regularly. including me. (well i'm 14 but i joined when i was 13.) so therefore curse words should be allowed under that reasoning i guess. anyways yeah i think i'm gonna change my stance on this to maybe no support lmao edit 2: [quote name="voidbeast" date="2020-07-24 09:03:42" ] [quote name="ChesterHypno" date="2020-07-24 05:32:29" ] and you have a harness and bit/bridle bonded dragon OP, you cant be the one to say something is inappropriate. [/quote] i have no idea why you're so adamant about the description being innapropirate to children when you have a literal fetish dragon in your lair, but whatever this is trying to imply is making me uncomfortable. no support because of your own double standards. [/quote] ........................................................
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it's not that it's offensive, it's that it's maybe not an appropriate joke. after all the admins are pretty strict about the content on FR being super clean or whatever bc a good portion of the userbase are minors, and the description on the antlers seems out of place.

support to the the original suggestion - if that sort of joke was made on the forums by a user it would definitely get edited by the mods, so either change the description or change FR's standards a lil bit.

edit - okay, so i'm seeing a lot of good points made here, and honestly? starting to agree with some of them. especially the "rack is literally another word for antler" and "it's not actually casting judgement on anyone."

one thing i have to disagree with though is the "13 year olds have heard worse so it's ok." like yeah it's ok but for different reasons?? for example every single 13 year old i've met swears regularly. including me. (well i'm 14 but i joined when i was 13.) so therefore curse words should be allowed under that reasoning i guess.

anyways yeah i think i'm gonna change my stance on this to maybe no support lmao

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voidbeast wrote on 2020-07-24 09:03:42:
ChesterHypno wrote on 2020-07-24 05:32:29:
and you have a harness and bit/bridle bonded dragon OP, you cant be the one to say something is inappropriate.
i have no idea why you're so adamant about the description being innapropirate to children when you have a literal fetish dragon in your lair, but whatever this is trying to imply is making me uncomfortable. no support because of your own double standards.

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[quote name="EiraoLaska" date="2020-07-17 17:28:30" ] No support, it's just a joke. I don't want every joke that's remotely "offensive" to be scrubbed from the site. [/quote] Pretty much this. It also is literally true, because antlers are often called racks and they literally aren't natural.
EiraoLaska wrote on 2020-07-17 17:28:30:
No support, it's just a joke. I don't want every joke that's remotely "offensive" to be scrubbed from the site.
Pretty much this.

It also is literally true, because antlers are often called racks and they literally aren't natural.

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[quote name="lightsgodown" date="2020-07-17 17:41:16" ] EiraoLaska it's not that it's offensive, it's that it's maybe not an appropriate joke. after all the admins are pretty strict about the content on FR being super clean or whatever bc a good portion of the userbase are minors, and the description on the antlers seems out of place. support to the the original suggestion - if that sort of joke was made on the forums by a user it would definitely get edited by the mods, so either change the description or change FR's standards a lil bit. [/quote] The reason why FR is so strict with users about content like this, but use it themselves, is because it is easier. They KNOW what they will allow on site and what the ywon't allow, but for users, they would have to explictily state it, and anything that wasn't explictly stated would be open to interpretation, which means users would start 'pushing' the limits, and the staff would have to moderate it. Even with the strict rules, there are still users who insist on putting NSFW stuff in their dragon bios, or using words that aren't allowed. If they eased up on the rules, that would only become more of an issue. But, they know where the limits are, and they can make sure to 'moderate' the stuff before it even gets on site, so they don't have to worry about a random user adding stuff that they shouldn't to a bio somewhere, and then having to wait until someone reports it before they know about it. That is why most sites have double standards, because they know where the 'line' is, but users don't, and even when users do, there are always some that will push, and with certain topics, it is much easier and safer to just not allow it.
lightsgodown wrote on 2020-07-17 17:41:16:
EiraoLaska

it's not that it's offensive, it's that it's maybe not an appropriate joke. after all the admins are pretty strict about the content on FR being super clean or whatever bc a good portion of the userbase are minors, and the description on the antlers seems out of place.

support to the the original suggestion - if that sort of joke was made on the forums by a user it would definitely get edited by the mods, so either change the description or change FR's standards a lil bit.
The reason why FR is so strict with users about content like this, but use it themselves, is because it is easier. They KNOW what they will allow on site and what the ywon't allow, but for users, they would have to explictily state it, and anything that wasn't explictly stated would be open to interpretation, which means users would start 'pushing' the limits, and the staff would have to moderate it.

Even with the strict rules, there are still users who insist on putting NSFW stuff in their dragon bios, or using words that aren't allowed. If they eased up on the rules, that would only become more of an issue.

But, they know where the limits are, and they can make sure to 'moderate' the stuff before it even gets on site, so they don't have to worry about a random user adding stuff that they shouldn't to a bio somewhere, and then having to wait until someone reports it before they know about it.

That is why most sites have double standards, because they know where the 'line' is, but users don't, and even when users do, there are always some that will push, and with certain topics, it is much easier and safer to just not allow it.

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Took me a minute to figure out how it was inappropriate. Yeah, it’s used in that way sometimes, but usually I hear it as in ‘Nice tan, bet it’s not natural”, or ‘Nice highlights, but its probably fake’. ‘Rack’ can certainly have an inappropriate connotation, especially combined with that phrase, but I don’t think it’s trying to directly reference that.
Took me a minute to figure out how it was inappropriate. Yeah, it’s used in that way sometimes, but usually I hear it as in ‘Nice tan, bet it’s not natural”, or ‘Nice highlights, but its probably fake’. ‘Rack’ can certainly have an inappropriate connotation, especially combined with that phrase, but I don’t think it’s trying to directly reference that.
Personally I don't care either way, but I don't think it's too big of a deal to have this. It's not really that inappropriate and you hear these jokes on TV shows/movies directed at teens all the time. Sometimes media for even younger audiences.
Personally I don't care either way, but I don't think it's too big of a deal to have this. It's not really that inappropriate and you hear these jokes on TV shows/movies directed at teens all the time. Sometimes media for even younger audiences.
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[quote]Minor but the description is kinda weird for FR when the staff are so strict about the site's contents?[/quote] They also don't allow users to make skins with blood on it, but we definitely shouldn't remove these: [center][item=Bloody Chest Bandage][item=Bloody Arm Bandages][item=Bloody Leg Bandages][/center] And, etc. The staff can pretty well police themselves because they know the exact content they want on this site. Users don't. It's easier to just make it so that nobody can do (thing) because some people would take (thing) too far. As for the suggestion, no. Keep the description. There's nothing wrong with it.
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Minor but the description is kinda weird for FR when the staff are so strict about the site's contents?
They also don't allow users to make skins with blood on it, but we definitely shouldn't remove these:
Bloody Chest Bandage Bloody Arm Bandages Bloody Leg Bandages
And, etc.

The staff can pretty well police themselves because they know the exact content they want on this site. Users don't. It's easier to just make it so that nobody can do (thing) because some people would take (thing) too far.

As for the suggestion, no. Keep the description. There's nothing wrong with it.
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I like it, it’s silly. It’s similar to how kids movies have secret little adult jokes, no harm done!
I like it, it’s silly. It’s similar to how kids movies have secret little adult jokes, no harm done!
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Absolutely no support. It's a totally harmless joke and changing it is unnecessary.
Absolutely no support. It's a totally harmless joke and changing it is unnecessary.
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