I've been sitting on this idea for a while, now. Seeing the prices of dragons fall with every day, and seeing everyone lose their motivation to breed them has been disheartening, truth be told. So what if there was a reason to breed your dragons? That is to say: What if the length of a dragon's family tree yielded better results in dominance? Now I know this might be an unpopular opinion, so I'll write down what pros and cons I can come up with.
The Benefits
-Dragon prices on the AH will be able to go up, as a long line is now desirable.
-Dominance now has another competitive aspect to it, as users can try to breed out long lines to bolster their flight.
-Breeding dragons will feel useful again.
The Negatives
-People who prefer unbred dragons might not like this change.
-Breeding dragons can get stale after a while.
Yeah, but if you guys have anything to add please leave a comment! I'm subscribed, so there is no need to ping. ^^
I've been sitting on this idea for a while, now. Seeing the prices of dragons fall with every day, and seeing everyone lose their motivation to breed them has been disheartening, truth be told. So what if there was a reason to breed your dragons? That is to say: What if the length of a dragon's family tree yielded better results in dominance? Now I know this might be an unpopular opinion, so I'll write down what pros and cons I can come up with.
The Benefits
-Dragon prices on the AH will be able to go up, as a long line is now desirable.
-Dominance now has another competitive aspect to it, as users can try to breed out long lines to bolster their flight.
-Breeding dragons will feel useful again.
The Negatives
-People who prefer unbred dragons might not like this change.
-Breeding dragons can get stale after a while.
Yeah, but if you guys have anything to add please leave a comment! I'm subscribed, so there is no need to ping. ^^
There is nothing wrong with the dragon market, dragons will never fall below the exalt floor. Dragons were never intended to be expensive. Dragons are essentially an endless resource as dragons don't have to be replaced and can be bred as many times as you want--as such the supply of dragons will invariably exceed the demand for dragons as lair spaces are limited.
Generation of a dragon should not affect dominance. It shouldn't matter if a dragon is a first generation dragon or a 100 generation dragon.
I could maybe see exalting a dragon of your own element getting a slight boost in dominance points, as a dragon of your own element is more likely to have been bred by you than a dragon from a different element.
There is nothing wrong with the dragon market, dragons will never fall below the exalt floor. Dragons were never intended to be expensive. Dragons are essentially an endless resource as dragons don't have to be replaced and can be bred as many times as you want--as such the supply of dragons will invariably exceed the demand for dragons as lair spaces are limited.
Generation of a dragon should not affect dominance. It shouldn't matter if a dragon is a first generation dragon or a 100 generation dragon.
I could maybe see exalting a dragon of your own element getting a slight boost in dominance points, as a dragon of your own element is more likely to have been bred by you than a dragon from a different element.
Sorry, but no support.
I have been on sites where things like this exist (ie the higher the generation the better the pet) and it is unfairly balanced against new players to begin with.
Plus, as mentioned this would mean that dragons that are lower lineages will be much less valuable (again affecting new players who would only be able to do generation 2s and 3s and thus not get as much as someone who has been established longer and can breed huge lineages).
Also, how would this count lineage? What would be the result of a gen1 breeding with a gen3234445? Would it be gen 2 or gen whatever?
Honestly, I would rather have mechanics in place to give dragons value, such as a cooking mechanic where you can level up a specific dragon and the higher the level the better food a dragon can make, or if/when we get adventure mode, have its own level system so that dragons can be valuable as more than just fodder or the occasional coliseum dragon (or the lucky draw gen1s) rather than something like this that would unfairly advantage new players and players who don't want to have to either breed their own lineages or research the lineages back to decide which one is the longest.
Sorry, but no support.
I have been on sites where things like this exist (ie the higher the generation the better the pet) and it is unfairly balanced against new players to begin with.
Plus, as mentioned this would mean that dragons that are lower lineages will be much less valuable (again affecting new players who would only be able to do generation 2s and 3s and thus not get as much as someone who has been established longer and can breed huge lineages).
Also, how would this count lineage? What would be the result of a gen1 breeding with a gen3234445? Would it be gen 2 or gen whatever?
Honestly, I would rather have mechanics in place to give dragons value, such as a cooking mechanic where you can level up a specific dragon and the higher the level the better food a dragon can make, or if/when we get adventure mode, have its own level system so that dragons can be valuable as more than just fodder or the occasional coliseum dragon (or the lucky draw gen1s) rather than something like this that would unfairly advantage new players and players who don't want to have to either breed their own lineages or research the lineages back to decide which one is the longest.
You can already make a lot of money by breeding fodder. 6-7kt a dragon with 5 nests and 15 pairs of plentifuls? That's really lucrative. Doesn't sound like much and has some required investment, but seriously, even breeding casually to sell as fodder is a lot more money than you may expect. Especially if you have a nice pair and can pop out valuable primals or something.
You can already make a lot of money by breeding fodder. 6-7kt a dragon with 5 nests and 15 pairs of plentifuls? That's really lucrative. Doesn't sound like much and has some required investment, but seriously, even breeding casually to sell as fodder is a lot more money than you may expect. Especially if you have a nice pair and can pop out valuable primals or something.
Breeding is already profitable, selling and exalting is free money
Breeding is already profitable, selling and exalting is free money
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Seeing the prices of dragons fall with every day, and seeing everyone lose their motivation to breed them has been disheartening, truth be told.
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Self-contradicting premise: why are the prices falling if everyone is stopping breeding? Fewer dragons with the same demand should mean higher prices, not lower.
The suggestion hinges on an incorrect assumption - that people are breeding less - while the truth is that the demand is smaller as people are not as into exalting. No support for fixing nonexistent problems when there are actual issues to fix (for example, revamping the entire dom system, which should fix the actual problem - too small of a demand).
Pastie wrote on 2020-08-08 18:54:59:
Seeing the prices of dragons fall with every day, and seeing everyone lose their motivation to breed them has been disheartening, truth be told.
Self-contradicting premise: why are the prices falling if everyone is stopping breeding? Fewer dragons with the same demand should mean higher prices, not lower.
The suggestion hinges on an incorrect assumption - that people are breeding less - while the truth is that the demand is smaller as people are not as into exalting. No support for fixing nonexistent problems when there are actual issues to fix (for example, revamping the entire dom system, which should fix the actual problem - too small of a demand).
As someone who does a lot of exalting, I don't want this. When I buy fodder, I check in on hte AH every time I need to refresh coli and I snipe anything that's below what I've deemed an acceptable price for the day. That's usually a bit below the current fodder floor.
I don't want more complications added to trying to decide if it's worth it to buy a dragon. As it is, I only need to look out for breed, color, and gene, and those are filter-able if I want.
I have been buying fodder more sporadically since the dom battle, but that's 100% due to the fact that the floor has been elevated since then, and I'd rather wait than pay the slightly inflated prices. From my perspective, if dragons aren't selling at fodder floor, it's because fodder floor is higher than I'd like and I'd rather wait for someone to dump dragons at a lower price.
As someone who does a lot of exalting, I don't want this. When I buy fodder, I check in on hte AH every time I need to refresh coli and I snipe anything that's below what I've deemed an acceptable price for the day. That's usually a bit below the current fodder floor.
I don't want more complications added to trying to decide if it's worth it to buy a dragon. As it is, I only need to look out for breed, color, and gene, and those are filter-able if I want.
I have been buying fodder more sporadically since the dom battle, but that's 100% due to the fact that the floor has been elevated since then, and I'd rather wait than pay the slightly inflated prices. From my perspective, if dragons aren't selling at fodder floor, it's because fodder floor is higher than I'd like and I'd rather wait for someone to dump dragons at a lower price.
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Breeding dragons is already useful, but you can't just breed *anything* together and expect it to be extremely profitable. That's not how economy works.
Breeding dragons is already useful, but you can't just breed *anything* together and expect it to be extremely profitable. That's not how economy works.
People who enjoy their own breeding projects still have motivation to breed. I've never bred for a profit. I find a scry I like, and then spend months breeding for it. I train and exalt any fails I get, so I still make money that way.
I think an added issue with implementing a lineage feature as a bonus for dom is that players will have a very difficult time determining what generation their dragon is. We don't have a family tree page, so the only way for a player to actively make use of this feature is to sit down and keep clicking back on the parents of each dragon.
If there isn't an easy way to track the generation number, I can't imagine that most will adjust their prices to account for that. Or if they do, they'll stop counting gens after a couple of searches and then just guess the worth. I mean, there is no concrete way to set a price anyway, but this really mean more guesswork at worth.
People who enjoy their own breeding projects still have motivation to breed. I've never bred for a profit. I find a scry I like, and then spend months breeding for it. I train and exalt any fails I get, so I still make money that way.
I think an added issue with implementing a lineage feature as a bonus for dom is that players will have a very difficult time determining what generation their dragon is. We don't have a family tree page, so the only way for a player to actively make use of this feature is to sit down and keep clicking back on the parents of each dragon.
If there isn't an easy way to track the generation number, I can't imagine that most will adjust their prices to account for that. Or if they do, they'll stop counting gens after a couple of searches and then just guess the worth. I mean, there is no concrete way to set a price anyway, but this really mean more guesswork at worth.
In addition to all of the economic arguments above, I just want to add that calculating lineage every time a dragon is exalted would be a fairly significant drain on the server resources. Every generation you go back, the number of dragons is doubled (unless you have hit a g1). Right now the site literally never has to actively calculate past the 5th generation back, meaning 32 dragons. People dedicated to lineage breeding could be producing dragons with literally thousands of ancestors (10th generation on all sides) within 5 months if they started only with G1s, much less with current dragons that are already the products of a long lineage.
In addition to all of the economic arguments above, I just want to add that calculating lineage every time a dragon is exalted would be a fairly significant drain on the server resources. Every generation you go back, the number of dragons is doubled (unless you have hit a g1). Right now the site literally never has to actively calculate past the 5th generation back, meaning 32 dragons. People dedicated to lineage breeding could be producing dragons with literally thousands of ancestors (10th generation on all sides) within 5 months if they started only with G1s, much less with current dragons that are already the products of a long lineage.
