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TOPIC | Change the Swiftstride and Stonestomp
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Just as the title says, change that arm on both, cause it's really uncool even if done on accident and is very uncomfortable and upsetting to look at, probably for other people too. That's more often than not an improper spear form anyways and it's incredibly insensitive and offensive to both Jewish people and black people. The right arm is just a N*zi salute, the left arm like that is a common triple K salute, both are just bad. Even if it was unintentional it needs to be changed or removed entirely. [b][Update:][/b] I don't know how to properly explain why imagery like this is bad as a whole regardless, when there was dozens of ways to avoid it along the way like rotating the wrist to be vertical and a dozen other "proper forms" to pick from of the motion of following through the throw when the arm lowers. (You don't choke the spear with the other hand and balance it on your thumb instead so it doesn't catch on your hand btw from what I've seen, so changing it a little to not be accidentally upsetting isn't that much of a hardship since it's already a little off.) TDLR: Along with the fact they're humanoids with close flesh colors and middle eastern head gear, "context" and "reaching" doesn't change the end result of the image. It's close enough to matter, and such a trivial and strange thing to debate against for those it does not affect directly. [b]{Another update:}[/b] I don't actually care about debating this or if the mods lock this, I have very direct family that passed in a camp and everyone's experiences with accidental imagery/purposeful imagery and generational trauma stuff is different. This is just upsetting to me personally and I doubt I'm the only one in a mass of people playing, and not that big of a deal to change to make people less uncomfortable. [b]{[Small update:]}[/b] The ones below are an edit I did and sent on discord lmao. [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795902815301533716/800717900624166932/2.png[/img] [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795902815301533716/800717914365755412/1.png[/img] The ones here at the very bottom are the originals for people a bit confused V V V: [img]https://www1.flightrising.com/static/cms/familiar/art/36306.png[/img] [img]https://www1.flightrising.com/static/cms/familiar/art/36307.png[/img] [b][Final Update:][/b] A good point in the thread was the names. The SS (acronym in the names) [The Schutzstaffel (SS) was a major paramilitary organization under H*tler and the N*zi Party (NSDAP) in N*zi Germany, and later throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II.] *** I didn't realize the Trooper thing was a suggestion by another user at first in the thread and confused myself for a minute, but like, SS in their names is still a N*zi thing, the trooper thing was just a regular unintentional bad idea with no ill intent, sorry dude. It's just all bad, guys.
Just as the title says, change that arm on both, cause it's really uncool even if done on accident and is very uncomfortable and upsetting to look at, probably for other people too.

That's more often than not an improper spear form anyways and it's incredibly insensitive and offensive to both Jewish people and black people. The right arm is just a N*zi salute, the left arm like that is a common triple K salute, both are just bad.

Even if it was unintentional it needs to be changed or removed entirely.

[Update:] I don't know how to properly explain why imagery like this is bad as a whole regardless, when there was dozens of ways to avoid it along the way like rotating the wrist to be vertical and a dozen other "proper forms" to pick from of the motion of following through the throw when the arm lowers. (You don't choke the spear with the other hand and balance it on your thumb instead so it doesn't catch on your hand btw from what I've seen, so changing it a little to not be accidentally upsetting isn't that much of a hardship since it's already a little off.)

TDLR: Along with the fact they're humanoids with close flesh colors and middle eastern head gear, "context" and "reaching" doesn't change the end result of the image. It's close enough to matter, and such a trivial and strange thing to debate against for those it does not affect directly.

{Another update:} I don't actually care about debating this or if the mods lock this, I have very direct family that passed in a camp and everyone's experiences with accidental imagery/purposeful imagery and generational trauma stuff is different. This is just upsetting to me personally and I doubt I'm the only one in a mass of people playing, and not that big of a deal to change to make people less uncomfortable.

{[Small update:]} The ones below are an edit I did and sent on discord lmao.

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The ones here at the very bottom are the originals for people a bit confused V V V:
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[Final Update:] A good point in the thread was the names.

The SS (acronym in the names) [The Schutzstaffel (SS) was a major paramilitary organization under H*tler and the N*zi Party (NSDAP) in N*zi Germany, and later throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II.]

*** I didn't realize the Trooper thing was a suggestion by another user at first in the thread and confused myself for a minute, but like, SS in their names is still a N*zi thing, the trooper thing was just a regular unintentional bad idea with no ill intent, sorry dude.

It's just all bad, guys.
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A quick google search shows that this seems to be the 'proper' form for throwing a spear. One arm extended outward and the other back.

They could 'tilt' the hand a bit, but I have seen both the hand slightly rotated to the side AND straight out and flat in the images I have seen of spear throwers (the spear throwing arm might actually be the improper one, but not sure :P)
A quick google search shows that this seems to be the 'proper' form for throwing a spear. One arm extended outward and the other back.

They could 'tilt' the hand a bit, but I have seen both the hand slightly rotated to the side AND straight out and flat in the images I have seen of spear throwers (the spear throwing arm might actually be the improper one, but not sure :P)

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...Have you ever seen a picture of a Nazi salute and of spear throwing? A straight raised arm is not automatically a white supremacy symbol. Here's a link to shutterstock's image gallery - if I were to believe this idea, half of them, apparently, are white supremacists?
...Have you ever seen a picture of a Nazi salute and of spear throwing? A straight raised arm is not automatically a white supremacy symbol. Here's a link to shutterstock's image gallery - if I were to believe this idea, half of them, apparently, are white supremacists?
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No support. This is really reaching. The context for the familiars is clearly throwing a spear.

Googling "javelin toss" gets a page of image results full of similar posture. Heck, you could even say the FR artists avoided what you're accusing them of because the extended hand is much lower than what I'm seeing in images, which would be closer to the salute angle.
No support. This is really reaching. The context for the familiars is clearly throwing a spear.

Googling "javelin toss" gets a page of image results full of similar posture. Heck, you could even say the FR artists avoided what you're accusing them of because the extended hand is much lower than what I'm seeing in images, which would be closer to the salute angle.
I don't even know what that second thing looks like, indicating to me that it's, in fact, not common? How do people know these things actually. Now that I think of it, it looks to me like a different salute but that has nothing to do with those other two things. It's just because I think it's in the general location of a raised arm like a wave or something. But it's a still. I have no earthly idea. [quote name="Jemadar" date="2021-01-18 06:18:20" ] A quick google search shows that this seems to be the 'proper' form for throwing a spear. One arm extended outward and the other back. [/quote] I did the same thing. Every "throwing a spear" image is some variation of that pose. I always thought the arm throwing the spear looked a little awkward, but that's honestly just FR's centaurs? I mean, look at the Crystalcourt ambassador. None of that thing's arm joints are right. In other words... uh. Nah. If you willfully ignore context completely, then yeah that's kinda awkward I guess. But if you look at the whole picture, that thing's throwing a spear.
I don't even know what that second thing looks like, indicating to me that it's, in fact, not common? How do people know these things actually. Now that I think of it, it looks to me like a different salute but that has nothing to do with those other two things. It's just because I think it's in the general location of a raised arm like a wave or something. But it's a still. I have no earthly idea.

Jemadar wrote on 2021-01-18 06:18:20:
A quick google search shows that this seems to be the 'proper' form for throwing a spear. One arm extended outward and the other back.
I did the same thing. Every "throwing a spear" image is some variation of that pose. I always thought the arm throwing the spear looked a little awkward, but that's honestly just FR's centaurs? I mean, look at the Crystalcourt ambassador. None of that thing's arm joints are right.

In other words... uh. Nah. If you willfully ignore context completely, then yeah that's kinda awkward I guess. But if you look at the whole picture, that thing's throwing a spear.
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This is how people throw spears, please don't think everything is automatically some supremacy symbol especially if most people don't see it. So i say a big No
This is how people throw spears, please don't think everything is automatically some supremacy symbol especially if most people don't see it. So i say a big No
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Not only is this like others have pointed out a completely normal spear throwing pose, but I also had to google the kkk salute, and it looks absolutely nothing like it? And should the straight arm be offensive it would have to be higher up.

In other words this is some serious reaching to the point where I'm suspecting you can't actually be serious.

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To clarify, my post was written before OP added any of their updates. Meaning that the only image available was the edit with the horizontal arm which OP did not specify was an edit. There are over 900 familiars and I don't remember every pose in detail which is why I assumed that the horizontal arm was the original pose and this is why I'm accusing OP of reaching. Now that the matter has been somewhat more clarified I still disagree with OP, but I can agree that the arm can be mistaken for a nazi salute.
Not only is this like others have pointed out a completely normal spear throwing pose, but I also had to google the kkk salute, and it looks absolutely nothing like it? And should the straight arm be offensive it would have to be higher up.

In other words this is some serious reaching to the point where I'm suspecting you can't actually be serious.

EDIT:
To clarify, my post was written before OP added any of their updates. Meaning that the only image available was the edit with the horizontal arm which OP did not specify was an edit. There are over 900 familiars and I don't remember every pose in detail which is why I assumed that the horizontal arm was the original pose and this is why I'm accusing OP of reaching. Now that the matter has been somewhat more clarified I still disagree with OP, but I can agree that the arm can be mistaken for a nazi salute.
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No? Everyone else is right and also not every extended arm is a n*zi salute wth

ETA: Disagreeing with you is such a strange reason to decide that this doesn't affect any of us
No? Everyone else is right and also not every extended arm is a n*zi salute wth

ETA: Disagreeing with you is such a strange reason to decide that this doesn't affect any of us
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[quote name="Anchoram" date="2021-01-18 06:54:52" ] Not only is this like others have pointed out a completely normal spear throwing pose, but I also had to google the kkk salute, and it looks absolutely nothing like it? And should the straight arm be offensive it would have to be higher up. In other words this is some serious reaching to the point where I'm suspecting you can't actually be serious. [/quote] Even if the arm were higher up, that wouldn't automatically make it the KKK salute, as that is, again, part of actual spear throwing. Many of the postures seen are actually leaning backwards to get height on the spear, and thus the arm IS raised a lot higher than the ones on the centaurs.
Anchoram wrote on 2021-01-18 06:54:52:
Not only is this like others have pointed out a completely normal spear throwing pose, but I also had to google the kkk salute, and it looks absolutely nothing like it? And should the straight arm be offensive it would have to be higher up.

In other words this is some serious reaching to the point where I'm suspecting you can't actually be serious.
Even if the arm were higher up, that wouldn't automatically make it the KKK salute, as that is, again, part of actual spear throwing.

Many of the postures seen are actually leaning backwards to get height on the spear, and thus the arm IS raised a lot higher than the ones on the centaurs.

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Yeah, while I knew about the spear throwing thing, I still found it weird they titled both of these familiars names with two words starting with S and I'm also not sure why the artist chose this pose despite probably, very likely, knowing that it, let's say, resembles a pose that would cost you one and a half grand in Germany if local law enforcement was to find out about it. Anyway, these familiars are weird and I've been thinking of them as the Nazi familiars since their release, not gonna lie. I don't care whether these get changed or not, but I certainly will continue to dislike them. (Old Registeel sprite, anyone?) Edit: Here is how the familiar looks like without OP's edit. [img]https://www1.flightrising.com/static/cms/familiar/art/36306.png[/img]
Yeah, while I knew about the spear throwing thing, I still found it weird they titled both of these familiars names with two words starting with S and I'm also not sure why the artist chose this pose despite probably, very likely, knowing that it, let's say, resembles a pose that would cost you one and a half grand in Germany if local law enforcement was to find out about it. Anyway, these familiars are weird and I've been thinking of them as the Nazi familiars since their release, not gonna lie. I don't care whether these get changed or not, but I certainly will continue to dislike them. (Old Registeel sprite, anyone?)

Edit: Here is how the familiar looks like without OP's edit.
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