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[center][b]Eyes as Quaternary genes[/b] What if eyes worked like quaternary genes has always been a thought of mine since the eye update and I’m going to share it no matter how much no one wants to see it. I’m going on a hiatus as soon as I finish my very short to do list and I really don’t care how many of you don’t want to see this. Currently genes work on a rarity basis of plentiful, common, uncommon, limited, and rare. Eyes also have a rarity system but that is all based off of rng and cannot be controlled like genes or even breeds can. Breeding you can pick a wildclaw and a fae and know that you are going to hatch either a wildclaw or a fae and nothing else, but you also know that you will get more faces than you will wildclaws because wildclaws are more rare. With eyes it is solely rng and you never know what your going to get and the only control you have over what eye types you may get is simply breed more. Genes and breeds if you do not like them you can simply avoid them. Eyes you can’t. There have been complaints of phobias or people who just don’t like this randomized system ever since the eyes were first released. And there are some who love the system. Which is fine except for that fact there are people who think they are better than everyone else because they can change their dragons eyes or they have dragons with special eyes. But with how much the eyes are a long lasting issue and it appears the longer they have been around the more people have come to hate each other over their various opinions on the matter and outright lash out at each other over the fact someone may or may not like the eye system. Or even brings it up. And I really think this needs to be addressed as it seems to be getting worse. ______________________________________ [b]Breeding systems[/b] So I’m going to share how I could see eyes working if they suddenly changed to a system like the breeding and gene systems. No more rng only. This would be beneficial for people with phobias or people who prefer breeding for certain looks and eye tints or certain eye shapes can be an aesthetic choice they want to breed for. All eye types could be applied to any dragon regardless of age, gender, flight, or generation. If this means they get a marker of some kind that the eyes were applied and not hatched with it then so be it. So first of all would be to establish rarity’s for our existing eye types to determine their inheritability just like how genes and breeds have. This would also make it so there’s no such thing as natural or unnatural eye types unless we had an indicator that a certain dragon had the eye types applied or not. [i]Below is the chart I’ve made for a rarity system and I was asked to add eye type ideas we don’t have. So all types underlined are popular ideas I’ve seen that we don’t have. [/i] [quote] Also pls add hypothetical eye types to your list![/quote] [b]Plentiful eye types [/b] Common [b]Common eye types[/b] Swirl [u]Heart[/u] [u]Star[/u] [u]Spider[/u] [b]Uncommon eye types[/b] Uncommon Unusual Rare [u]Button[/u] [b]Limited eye types[/b] Dark sclera Glowing Innocent [u]White sclera[/u] [b]Rare eye types[/b] Faceted Goat Multigaze Primal [u]Other flight exclusives[/u] ______________________________________ [b]How will rarities work?[/b] Now with this mock up rarity chart let me share my ideal ways to get these eye types and I’ll also include quotes from posts in this thread that should also be considered. Plentiful rarities we already have a vial for in the marketplace for common eyes so we have no need for any changes there. Common rarities could have vials in the treasure marketplace for a good price as a health treasure sink. Uncommon rarities as a more expensive vial in the treasure marketplace would be great for a treasure sink. And if more eyes get added to this hypothetical rarity later they could be from swipp, coliseum, or baldwin types as well. Unusual rarities would be baldwin eye types, cheaper gem eye types, rarer coliseum, and maybe swipp eye types. Rare eye types are highly debatable so Lets go over a few things before we argue of why the special eyes shouldn’t be cheap. [i]First of all as special as these eyes are perceived let’s remember that not everyone likes these eye types. Not everyone thinks they are special. And as Jemedar has said if we get more new eye types in the future who’s to say these eyes will still been seen as special.[/i] [quote = Jemadar] There will be future eye types and some of those will be natural. Some of those natural ones may be just as rare as Primal, and perhaps even more in demand. Would that mean that those eyes aren't eligible for a vial? If so, what about primal? Is it no longer 'special' enough because most prices for primal dragons will go down as players are now trying to get the new eye type. Just like with genes. At one time Iri/shim were the 'go to genes'. Yet, now, there are others that people tend to treat as 'go to' genes. Those genes, and thus dragons with them, are no longer as desired as they once were. [/quote] They rare eye types can be put on the gem marketplace or elsewhere for varying prices or even rarities since their rarity is a commonly debated topic. I’m quoting this from another thread but [quote] But we all know staff won’t change the eye system because of How much money the g1 eye market does make in gem sales. Scattersights take gems, primal g1s themselves take gems, tri color scatter scrolls take gems, skins take gems. It’s 100% the g1 marketplace keeping Staff from saying anything about the eyes or making any changes. It’s because they all push gem sales directly or not. Either your getting gems off the sales forum from someone who may have bought gems or you buy gems.[/quote] If this is the case then wouldn’t selling these eye types for gems create just as much revenue if not more? By putting these eye types up for gems there would be plenty of people having the ability to customize their dragons as well as the site getting gem sales almost equal to that of the current sales? This would also lead to more gems leaving the site via the gem MP which would make more treasure sinks also necessary. Also considering we can get more eye types in the future such as more elemental exclusive special eye types that may be just as “special” and desired as primal or even more desired than primal should we really price say multi and primal in absurd prices? This a question that should be considered. They could be expensive gem vials or even specialty gem eye vials. As an example they could be sold in the gem MP for both high prices and maybe even a limited amount of vials available each day. Another idea would be to put them for high gem prices like 1500g and only have them available during festivals. But you should also consider that there may be more eye types added later that the community thinks to be more desirable than primal is now. These eye types would work like the current rarity systems for genes but much more skewed than that of genes or breeds. Where with genes you can breed basic with metallic and know you might get theoretically 1 in 100 hatchlings having metallic, with eye types like rare vs common there would be much more rare than genes to inherit so theoretically common vs primal only getting a 1 in 800 dragons from that pair might hatch with primal if one parent has common and the other primal. Once again this is to preserve current community perceived rarity and special feeling staff said they wanted us to have. ______________________________________ [b]Why?[/b] This would add plenty of treasure sinks, people could apply the eyes they want to whatever dragon they want, people with phobias can reasonably avoid eye types they do not want to see, it makes what is currently called “unnatural eyes” not just a cosmetic item but a breedable item such as this is a breeding game. And it would add a lot more diversity to breeding eyes and customizing eyes. Personally I think “unnatural” eyes are quite a missed potential since they aren’t inheritable. If that changed and breeding two dragons with dark sclera would mean the hatchlings would have dark sclera I would be applying darkened sight to almost all the dragons on my front page. Same goes for our current “natural” eyes if I bred two dragons with uncommon and the hatchlings would have uncommon guaranteed I would apply that eye type to both the parents. Say I had a pairing based off of say frogs or deer and I wanted all the hatchlings to hatch with goat, then I would buy two goat vials no matter the price even if they were 1000gems each. The same goes for just wanting aesthetic looks for any existing dragons. If I or anyone really had a dragon and just thought they would look better with a different tint or other eye type a feature like this would give you the freedom to get it. It’s all a matter of personal choice and I’ve stated several times people who [i]do not want[/i] certain eye types or have phobias could [i]reasonably[/i] avoid the eyes they don’t want to see just the same as genes. The current system is a lot of wasted potential. I really don’t think this is a suggestion but more of an opinion but I think frs discussion forums want to see this topic. [b] But don’t take this seriously and please remember this is just a discussion. [/b] [/center]

Change unusual to limited, make it the 'unnatural' eyes, and move the 'natural' eyes there to Uncommon and rare :P

@Jemadar

Is that a bit better? And I thought swirl would be lonely being in the common section alone so I left uncommon there as well for the time being.

I honestly wouldn't care if eyes became breed-able AS LONG AS we get some type of vial or method to put new eyes on old dragons. As it is, eyes are highly uninteractable, and I'm still frustrated that the fifth anniversary update excluded all existing dragons.

I like having eyes be a surprise and I'd be kind of sad to see that surprise taken away. I also like having neat and valuable eye types (like primal) that aren't gem items.

I think it's too late at this point to feasibly change eyes from their current system, especially with how much people have already invested in gem eyes with the expectation that those eyes will never be breedable. There's some ways I think the eye system could change, but overhauling it to work the same as genes isn't something I'm keen on.

[quote] I think it's too late at this point to feasibly change eyes from their current system, especially with how much people have already invested in gem eyes with the expectation that those eyes will never be breedable. There's some ways I think the eye system could change, but overhauling it to work the same as genes isn't something I'm keen on.[/quote] The thing is... staff already changed eyes 5 years into the sites existence. Who’s to say they won’t change it again? But this isn’t really a suggestion more of a discussion I didn’t want to put in the discussion forums because people are sick of seeing eye threads there. But seeing as they changed eyes 5 years into the sites existence and changed every existing dragon after people similarly to what you say, spent real money and gems and time on the site only for some dragons to be ruined by the “standardization” of eyes and the changing of eye colors on literally every dragon on site without warning. While it is highly unlikely they will do it again with eyes who’s to say they won’t up and change anything else? It’s just a massive concern of mine that staff will up and decide to change other parts of the site this drastically as well.

[quote name="gemajgall" date="2021-03-09 14:07:15" ] I honestly wouldn't care if eyes became breed-able AS LONG AS we get some type of vial or method to put new eyes on old dragons. As it is, eyes are highly uninteractable, and I'm still frustrated that the fifth anniversary update excluded all existing dragons. [/quote] ^This. I also wouldn't mind if eyes became breedable either, especially as it would then be easier for me to avoid the eye types I dislike.

[quote name="Mystiek" date="2021-03-09 14:31:47" ] The thing is... staff already changed eyes 5 years into the sites existence. Who’s to say they won’t change it again? But this isn’t really a suggestion more of a discussion I didn’t want to put in the discussion forums because people are sick of seeing eye threads there. But seeing as they changed eyes 5 years into the sites existence and changed every existing dragon after people similarly to what you say, spent real money and gems and time on the site only for some dragons to be ruined by the “standardization” of eyes and the changing of eye colors on literally every dragon on site without warning. While it is highly unlikely they will do it again with eyes who’s to say they won’t up and change anything else? It’s just a massive concern of mine that staff will up and decide to change other parts of the site this drastically as well. [/quote] ^Yeah, all of this. One of the reasons why I won't just "shut up about the eyes" is because I have concerns with other huge sweeping changes to game mechanics being made without warning.

I'd just like to finally see any kind of way to give old dragons the new eyes. Something fair, of course. Giving the eyes an inheritance mechanic could be nice, too, and give less rng come into play (which is something everyone with breeding plans absolutely despises lol). So, yea, support!

I like the idea of having a higher chance of getting say, a primal eyed dragon by breeding 2 primal eyed dragons together... but part of me still wants that slim chance of getting a primal from 2 non-primals.

I also don't think non-natural eye types should become obtainable via breeding.