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TOPIC | Self-Service: Generate New Progens
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Similar ideas have been brought up in a few different threads, but nothing exactly like this, so I figured I'd make my own post. Basically, a new [url=https://www1.flightrising.com/support/self-service][b]Self-Service feature[/b][/url] alongside Dragon Restoration and Item Restoration: [b]Create New Progenitors.[/b] Instead of keeping the same set of dragons, but modifying their colors/element/whatever, it generates [b]entirely new dragons[/b] to act as your lair's progens. [LIST] [*]In order to use the feature, your original/old progens would need to be exalted. [*]Once the feature is used, those dragons would be turned into normal dragons and would [b]no longer be restorable[/b]. (This prevents problems with breeding/lineage and also keeps people from gaming the system to sell valuable progens.) [*]You would also (obviously) need two empty slots in your lair. [*]The feature gives you the opportunity to create an entirely new custom progenitor with your clan's current Flight, and also rolls up a new random. They're given new IDs and treated as your progenitors for Restoration and any other purposes. [/LIST] Potential problems: [LIST] [*]The service would probably need to cost a big chunk of gems, somewhere in the thousands, to offset the number of people who would create themselves a custom XXY or even keep rolling until they get a triple. [*]It would need to be made [b]very clear[/b] that once you use the service, [i]your old progenitors are permanently exalted.[/i] [/LIST] Why do we need this service? Progenitors are meant to be special dragons, the creators of your entire lair, and many people build their lore around them. However, many more players make mistakes with their progens when they're newbies—picking out bad colors, breeding them and doing things with the offspring list they don't like, etc. With this, people could still have those "special" dragons, and have them be dragons they'd actually like and use. In addition, this helps people who want to start their account over for some reason. The common advice given is to "exalt all your dragons, hoardsell everything, change UN, flight, and buy and hatch two new eggs to serve as fake progens." However, this is an unsatisfying answer, because 1) those eggs are random dragons treated the same as any other dragons by the game, and you don't get to create a custom, and 2) the old progenitors are still permanently tied to your account, no matter what you do. I feel like if people aren't going to be given the option to create a new account, they could at least be allowed to truly start over. [rule] Pitches/feedback from the thread: (emphasis all mine) [quote name="Psilocin" date="2022-01-17 01:23:40" ] sounds interesting. but only if you put enough restrictions on it, otherwise i see it being exploited. [b]a heavy cooldown[/b], a [b]hefty price tag[/b] and your previous progens getting exalted might help tho. [/quote] [quote name="NoirVogelchen" date="2022-01-17 03:27:28" ] Support, but [b]with cooldown[/b]. Progens can't be sold or anything so, I'm not sure how it could be exploited? Sure xxx and all that, be they couldn't be sold for profit. [/quote] [quote name="papercup" date="2022-01-17 09:29:44" ] i think it should be like flight and UN changes- [b]one freebie, then costly[/b]. [/quote] [quote name="gemajgall" date="2022-01-18 05:22:06" ] [...] The thing is, maybe some players want to [b]redo their custom progens but keep the offspring list.[/b] However, I can also see why some people would want to wipe it. So it shouldn't be a "one or the other" deal. [/quote] [quote name="Avessa" date="2022-01-18 08:44:11" ] Rather than a huge chunk of gems, I'd prefer a very long cooldown. As in [b]a minimum of 1 year[/b] between uses. Otherwise I support. [/quote] Based on feedback, I feel like a good addition to this would be two options: the suggestion above, where you generate entirely new dragons, and [i]also[/i] a service that just [b]force-updates the progens' elements[/b] while keeping everything else intact. Boston and Hope changed elements, so we know it's possible. In addition, maybe being able to pick only one or the other to reroll? As in, "I love my custom, but my random is so gross." and/or "I got a good random on this redo, but I want to keep rerolling my custom's tert without losing the random." OTOH, maybe being able to only do both at the same time would be a good drawback to the feature.
Similar ideas have been brought up in a few different threads, but nothing exactly like this, so I figured I'd make my own post.

Basically, a new Self-Service feature alongside Dragon Restoration and Item Restoration: Create New Progenitors. Instead of keeping the same set of dragons, but modifying their colors/element/whatever, it generates entirely new dragons to act as your lair's progens.

  • In order to use the feature, your original/old progens would need to be exalted.
  • Once the feature is used, those dragons would be turned into normal dragons and would no longer be restorable. (This prevents problems with breeding/lineage and also keeps people from gaming the system to sell valuable progens.)
  • You would also (obviously) need two empty slots in your lair.
  • The feature gives you the opportunity to create an entirely new custom progenitor with your clan's current Flight, and also rolls up a new random. They're given new IDs and treated as your progenitors for Restoration and any other purposes.

Potential problems:
  • The service would probably need to cost a big chunk of gems, somewhere in the thousands, to offset the number of people who would create themselves a custom XXY or even keep rolling until they get a triple.
  • It would need to be made very clear that once you use the service, your old progenitors are permanently exalted.

Why do we need this service? Progenitors are meant to be special dragons, the creators of your entire lair, and many people build their lore around them. However, many more players make mistakes with their progens when they're newbies—picking out bad colors, breeding them and doing things with the offspring list they don't like, etc. With this, people could still have those "special" dragons, and have them be dragons they'd actually like and use.

In addition, this helps people who want to start their account over for some reason. The common advice given is to "exalt all your dragons, hoardsell everything, change UN, flight, and buy and hatch two new eggs to serve as fake progens." However, this is an unsatisfying answer, because 1) those eggs are random dragons treated the same as any other dragons by the game, and you don't get to create a custom, and 2) the old progenitors are still permanently tied to your account, no matter what you do. I feel like if people aren't going to be given the option to create a new account, they could at least be allowed to truly start over.


Pitches/feedback from the thread: (emphasis all mine)
Psilocin wrote on 2022-01-17 01:23:40:
sounds interesting. but only if you put enough restrictions on it, otherwise i see it being exploited. a heavy cooldown, a hefty price tag and your previous progens getting exalted might help tho.
NoirVogelchen wrote on 2022-01-17 03:27:28:
Support, but with cooldown. Progens can't be sold or anything so, I'm not sure how it could be exploited? Sure xxx and all that, be they couldn't be sold for profit.
papercup wrote on 2022-01-17 09:29:44:
i think it should be like flight and UN changes- one freebie, then costly.
gemajgall wrote on 2022-01-18 05:22:06:
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The thing is, maybe some players want to redo their custom progens but keep the offspring list. However, I can also see why some people would want to wipe it. So it shouldn't be a "one or the other" deal.
Avessa wrote on 2022-01-18 08:44:11:
Rather than a huge chunk of gems, I'd prefer a very long cooldown. As in a minimum of 1 year between uses. Otherwise I support.

Based on feedback, I feel like a good addition to this would be two options: the suggestion above, where you generate entirely new dragons, and also a service that just force-updates the progens' elements while keeping everything else intact. Boston and Hope changed elements, so we know it's possible.

In addition, maybe being able to pick only one or the other to reroll? As in, "I love my custom, but my random is so gross." and/or "I got a good random on this redo, but I want to keep rerolling my custom's tert without losing the random." OTOH, maybe being able to only do both at the same time would be a good drawback to the feature.
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I really like this idea! One of the things that a new player may not be aware of when signing up (as I was) is how relevant the colours you choose are. I originally chose Ice/Sky for my custom... and grew to hate it because I couldn't make it work properly and ended up scattering my custom.

With that said, I think there should be a heavy cooldown on something like this, akin to changing Flight (and maybe with an associated fee), since if there was a negligble cooldown it'd be easy for people to basically keep re-rolling the tertiary for the custom progen and all the colours for the random.
I really like this idea! One of the things that a new player may not be aware of when signing up (as I was) is how relevant the colours you choose are. I originally chose Ice/Sky for my custom... and grew to hate it because I couldn't make it work properly and ended up scattering my custom.

With that said, I think there should be a heavy cooldown on something like this, akin to changing Flight (and maybe with an associated fee), since if there was a negligble cooldown it'd be easy for people to basically keep re-rolling the tertiary for the custom progen and all the colours for the random.
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sounds interesting. but only if you put enough restrictions on it, otherwise i see it being exploited. a heavy cooldown, a hefty price tag and your previous progens getting exalted might help tho.
sounds interesting. but only if you put enough restrictions on it, otherwise i see it being exploited. a heavy cooldown, a hefty price tag and your previous progens getting exalted might help tho.
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This would be nice! Both of my progens are long exalted. When I made my account, I didn't realize how important progens are down the line. I want to have my progens featured in my lair, but man, I picked awful colours and my Rando one isn't my thing.

Support, but with cooldown. Progens can't be sold or anything so, I'm not sure how it could be exploited? Sure xxx and all that, be they couldn't be sold for profit.
This would be nice! Both of my progens are long exalted. When I made my account, I didn't realize how important progens are down the line. I want to have my progens featured in my lair, but man, I picked awful colours and my Rando one isn't my thing.

Support, but with cooldown. Progens can't be sold or anything so, I'm not sure how it could be exploited? Sure xxx and all that, be they couldn't be sold for profit.
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Support, though I agree about a need for cooldown.
Support, though I agree about a need for cooldown.
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Support!
I got such ugly ducklings for progens back then that i exalted them. No crying after the colours for sure, but i do feel the loss some way or other. :(

I think a feature like this wouldn't have actual downsides since you can't sell progens anyway. Not sure how big the impact would be for their g2 babies, you can make triples that way after all... Maybe the limitation is that it just can't be a double or triple? Long cooldown?
Support!
I got such ugly ducklings for progens back then that i exalted them. No crying after the colours for sure, but i do feel the loss some way or other. :(

I think a feature like this wouldn't have actual downsides since you can't sell progens anyway. Not sure how big the impact would be for their g2 babies, you can make triples that way after all... Maybe the limitation is that it just can't be a double or triple? Long cooldown?
I kinda feel like everyone should just get one freebie redo* of their custom progen and for the random one, there's scatterscrolls. Progens cannot be sold so that is a moot point, and many hatcheries are selling hatchlings from XXY/whatever ideal colour combo pairs so it's not like the marketplace is gonna be more flooded. I like the sentiment of his suggestions but seems it could be simplified. Maybe subsequent redos can be done on a scaling gem price, like flight changes.

*i am also of the opinion everyone should be able to use the full colour wheel when making their custom progen and be able to choose the tert, with like a freebie underbelly gene. Like others have said, progens are meant to be special, and it kinda sucks to see them hamstrung like this.
I kinda feel like everyone should just get one freebie redo* of their custom progen and for the random one, there's scatterscrolls. Progens cannot be sold so that is a moot point, and many hatcheries are selling hatchlings from XXY/whatever ideal colour combo pairs so it's not like the marketplace is gonna be more flooded. I like the sentiment of his suggestions but seems it could be simplified. Maybe subsequent redos can be done on a scaling gem price, like flight changes.

*i am also of the opinion everyone should be able to use the full colour wheel when making their custom progen and be able to choose the tert, with like a freebie underbelly gene. Like others have said, progens are meant to be special, and it kinda sucks to see them hamstrung like this.
I didn't think I would agree to this seeing the title, but what you've planned out is an amazing idea and I fully agree. Generating new progens would be nice.
I didn't think I would agree to this seeing the title, but what you've planned out is an amazing idea and I fully agree. Generating new progens would be nice.
Support! This is a wonderful idea, I wouldn't generate new progens myself but I'm sure others would.
Support! This is a wonderful idea, I wouldn't generate new progens myself but I'm sure others would.
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I’d like this. It would definitely lead to an increase in XXY and XXX progens, but seeing as they can’t be traded I don’t think it would be the end of the world in the G1 market or anything.
I’d like this. It would definitely lead to an increase in XXY and XXX progens, but seeing as they can’t be traded I don’t think it would be the end of the world in the G1 market or anything.
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