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TOPIC | Marketplace Snipers
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This issue has pushed me to the point of wanting to quit a few times now, cause in tandem with the website constantly running at an ungodly sluggish pace, or recently going down for a -week- so it's nigh on impossible to make money for a while. The economy of this site is pure mayhem. And its developing into frustration cause I have a hard time getting to the point where I can afford to buy the fancy gene's I've been wanting.

I understand we have a free site for the most part, so I'm willing to deal with the issues that come with naturally overloaded servers and trying to work out their kinks. That I get.

What exasperates and infuriates me, are the Marketplace Snipers. They're really the icing on this somewhat frustrating cake.

Waterflight is dominant for the first time since I joined. Nine times out of ten I either am too busy to do what I need to in the games to make money or don't have the patience to wait fifteen minutes for a game to MAYBE load when I can only stand to play one of them cause it actually stimulates me. So my money? It's a little on the limited scale.

So now that we get those discounts, I'm enthralled that I can afford to go get a gene or two and work on the dragons in my lair like I've been meaning too. I blissfully head over to the marketplace to check the prices...

and within five minutes of viewing, EVERYTHING in the marketplace, from special to food vanishes cause the snipers come in and ruin it for the rest of us. Come the third time this week I've attempted to go see what I can buy, I have no hope. Even with the discounts, that I'm going to manage to grab anything other than the one gene I've managed to sink my claws into. Not because I can't afford them. But because I can almost promise myself that they wont even be there. They're going to be in the auction house at unfair, jacked up prices that only benefit the snipers and leave everyone else wanting to die.

I have a few suggestions on how to deal with this.

First and Foremost, users, REFUSE to buy from the overpriced people in AH. Keep note of what those genes actually cost in the marketplace, and if you see them selling higher, refuse to go near it. Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.

Alternative ideas?

2) Limit how many specialty items can be bought per day. It'd SUCK for us. But at least it would give all of us a chance to get at things without snipers jacking all the crap on the market. It would put them in a position to -have- to only buy what they need, instead of all the stuff the rest of us are hoping to get.

3) Unlimited market items. Something I like less only because those genes are meant to be harder to get, but at least it would take the value out of what the snipers can get.

4) Ban snipers. No not on the first go. I'd give them three warning first. After the third time it'd be a ban, cause not only is it unfair to the rest of the users, it absolutely ensures the economy of this site stays in the criminal ranks, as opposed to anything reasonable.



Remember, my ranting on this post is not to harp on the site's functionality itself. I appreciate everything the staff is doing to make this site better and better with every passing day, and I know that's not going to happen without some hang ups. The point is to emphasize how much harder it makes this site for the rest of the players, when some jerkwad wants to run rampant and only worry about how much gold he or she can get instead of how the can possibly help the site become a better and more functional place for everyone.
This issue has pushed me to the point of wanting to quit a few times now, cause in tandem with the website constantly running at an ungodly sluggish pace, or recently going down for a -week- so it's nigh on impossible to make money for a while. The economy of this site is pure mayhem. And its developing into frustration cause I have a hard time getting to the point where I can afford to buy the fancy gene's I've been wanting.

I understand we have a free site for the most part, so I'm willing to deal with the issues that come with naturally overloaded servers and trying to work out their kinks. That I get.

What exasperates and infuriates me, are the Marketplace Snipers. They're really the icing on this somewhat frustrating cake.

Waterflight is dominant for the first time since I joined. Nine times out of ten I either am too busy to do what I need to in the games to make money or don't have the patience to wait fifteen minutes for a game to MAYBE load when I can only stand to play one of them cause it actually stimulates me. So my money? It's a little on the limited scale.

So now that we get those discounts, I'm enthralled that I can afford to go get a gene or two and work on the dragons in my lair like I've been meaning too. I blissfully head over to the marketplace to check the prices...

and within five minutes of viewing, EVERYTHING in the marketplace, from special to food vanishes cause the snipers come in and ruin it for the rest of us. Come the third time this week I've attempted to go see what I can buy, I have no hope. Even with the discounts, that I'm going to manage to grab anything other than the one gene I've managed to sink my claws into. Not because I can't afford them. But because I can almost promise myself that they wont even be there. They're going to be in the auction house at unfair, jacked up prices that only benefit the snipers and leave everyone else wanting to die.

I have a few suggestions on how to deal with this.

First and Foremost, users, REFUSE to buy from the overpriced people in AH. Keep note of what those genes actually cost in the marketplace, and if you see them selling higher, refuse to go near it. Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.

Alternative ideas?

2) Limit how many specialty items can be bought per day. It'd SUCK for us. But at least it would give all of us a chance to get at things without snipers jacking all the crap on the market. It would put them in a position to -have- to only buy what they need, instead of all the stuff the rest of us are hoping to get.

3) Unlimited market items. Something I like less only because those genes are meant to be harder to get, but at least it would take the value out of what the snipers can get.

4) Ban snipers. No not on the first go. I'd give them three warning first. After the third time it'd be a ban, cause not only is it unfair to the rest of the users, it absolutely ensures the economy of this site stays in the criminal ranks, as opposed to anything reasonable.



Remember, my ranting on this post is not to harp on the site's functionality itself. I appreciate everything the staff is doing to make this site better and better with every passing day, and I know that's not going to happen without some hang ups. The point is to emphasize how much harder it makes this site for the rest of the players, when some jerkwad wants to run rampant and only worry about how much gold he or she can get instead of how the can possibly help the site become a better and more functional place for everyone.
I'm not going to touch the rest of your post, but, you do realize that... [quote]Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.[/quote] ^ this is an [i]extremely[/i] obnoxious thing to do to the mods? please don't make their jobs harder just because you didn't get priority to buy an item in the marketplace.
I'm not going to touch the rest of your post, but, you do realize that...
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Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.

^ this is an extremely obnoxious thing to do to the mods?
please don't make their jobs harder just because you didn't get priority to buy an item in the marketplace.
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[size=2]If this was happening yesterday; the marketplace was glitched to dump all items multiple times an hour thus causing the entire marketplace to go out of stock frequently. It was not because of "snipers". ([i]I would like to note that snipers are people who come in at the last second of an auction to outbid the current high bid, not someone who buys items from the marketplace to resell on the AH. But for the sake of this thread I'll refer to them as "snipers" to keep things concise.[/i]) Reselling is a viable and fundamental strategy to making money on [b]all[/b] petsites, not just flight rising. I don't know if you ever played neopets, but it was a very, very competitive market. [/size] [quote]Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.[/quote] [center][size=5]Stop right there buster brown.[/size][/center] [size=2]Not only is that immature and vindictive for literally no reason, but it's a waste of valuable resources (IE. a moderators time) that could be spent, I don't know, actually checking on users that are breaking the rules.[/size] [quote]Ban snipers. No not on the first go. I'd give them three warning first.[/quote] [size=2]And how would you propose you "ban snipers"? How is buying items from the market against the rules? How will the admins be able to tell a sniper from someone who genuinely needs multiple genes? What about users who use their flight discount in order to provide discounted genes to other users, and thus end up buying in bulk? I'm sorry you're not very good at playing the market or didn't realize the marketplace dumps were actually a glitch and has supposedly been fixed now, but this entire thread strikes me as incredibly entitled and poorly thought out.
If this was happening yesterday; the marketplace was glitched to dump all items multiple times an hour thus causing the entire marketplace to go out of stock frequently. It was not because of "snipers". (I would like to note that snipers are people who come in at the last second of an auction to outbid the current high bid, not someone who buys items from the marketplace to resell on the AH. But for the sake of this thread I'll refer to them as "snipers" to keep things concise.)

Reselling is a viable and fundamental strategy to making money on all petsites, not just flight rising. I don't know if you ever played neopets, but it was a very, very competitive market.

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Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.
Stop right there buster brown.
Not only is that immature and vindictive for literally no reason, but it's a waste of valuable resources (IE. a moderators time) that could be spent, I don't know, actually checking on users that are breaking the rules.
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Ban snipers. No not on the first go. I'd give them three warning first.
And how would you propose you "ban snipers"? How is buying items from the market against the rules? How will the admins be able to tell a sniper from someone who genuinely needs multiple genes? What about users who use their flight discount in order to provide discounted genes to other users, and thus end up buying in bulk?

I'm sorry you're not very good at playing the market or didn't realize the marketplace dumps were actually a glitch and has supposedly been fixed now, but this entire thread strikes me as incredibly entitled and poorly thought out.
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>mistaking marketplace dump bug for people buying everything off the MP at Mach 3 during heavy lag

whelp.

eta: the MP sells food? HOLY SCHNIKES SHOW ME THE FOOD TAB.
>mistaking marketplace dump bug for people buying everything off the MP at Mach 3 during heavy lag

whelp.

eta: the MP sells food? HOLY SCHNIKES SHOW ME THE FOOD TAB.

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everything happens so much
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I'M GONNA DRINK IT LIKE A PERSON
Is this for real?
You can't tell me you seriously thought people were constantly buying everything from the marketplace.....
I cant even- trolololol
Is this for real?
You can't tell me you seriously thought people were constantly buying everything from the marketplace.....
I cant even- trolololol
From the update: [quote]The marketplace issue where stock would dump several times an hour has been resolved.[/quote] It was a well known bug, it's unlikely that there's people "sniping" the marketplace. If it's still happening, then the issue hasn't been resolved.
From the update:
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The marketplace issue where stock would dump several times an hour has been resolved.

It was a well known bug, it's unlikely that there's people "sniping" the marketplace. If it's still happening, then the issue hasn't been resolved.
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Man I'm also water flight and I ain't even this mad. Chill out and be patient, friend.
Man I'm also water flight and I ain't even this mad. Chill out and be patient, friend.
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Are you really suggesting to /ban/ users for playing the game their own way? ok
Are you really suggesting to /ban/ users for playing the game their own way? ok
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[quote]The economy of this site is pure mayhem. And its developing into frustration cause I have a hard time getting to the point where I can afford to buy the fancy gene's I've been wanting.[/quote] [color=green] The economy is far from mayhem if you actually pay attention it. It's actually extremely easy to generate income using the Auction House. Also, those fancy genes are meant to be rare and therefore you shouldn't be able to just up and get one too easily. [/color] [quote]What exasperates and infuriates me, are the Marketplace Snipers. They're really the icing on this somewhat frustrating cake. Waterflight is dominant for the first time since I joined. Nine times out of ten I either am too busy to do what I need to in the games to make money or don't have the patience to wait fifteen minutes for a game to MAYBE load when I can only stand to play one of them cause it actually stimulates me. So my money? It's a little on the limited scale.[/quote] [color=green] You being too busy and the games not working correctly are not the fault of any of the players. You could perhaps blame lag on others, but you are as much at fault as they. [/color] [quote]So now that we get those discounts, I'm enthralled that I can afford to go get a gene or two and work on the dragons in my lair like I've been meaning too. I blissfully head over to the marketplace to check the prices... and within five minutes of viewing, EVERYTHING in the marketplace, from special to food vanishes cause the snipers come in and ruin it for the rest of us. Come the third time this week I've attempted to go see what I can buy, I have no hope. Even with the discounts, that I'm going to manage to grab anything other than the one gene I've managed to sink my claws into. Not because I can't afford them. But because I can almost promise myself that they wont even be there. They're going to be in the auction house at unfair, jacked up prices that only benefit the snipers and leave everyone else wanting to die.[/quote] [color=green] The Marketplace stocks once per five minutes. Also, there was a bug in the system making the Marketplace empty its stock, which the Admins both addressed and fixed. It's actually very rare to not see what you want stocked at least once a day, provided you can check five or six times. Saying you checked three times over the course of a week isn't saying very much. I'd also hope that it doesn't make you want to die, that's an extreme reaction over a game.. [/color] [quote]First and Foremost, users, REFUSE to buy from the overpriced people in AH. Keep note of what those genes actually cost in the marketplace, and if you see them selling higher, refuse to go near it. Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.[/quote] [color=green] If anything, you'd end up banned for being spiteful and flooding the mods with false reports. Most sites look down on false reporting. It's also not a good idea to completely destroy the free idea of a free market. Defeats the core idea. [/color] [quote]2) Limit how many specialty items can be bought per day. It'd SUCK for us. But at least it would give all of us a chance to get at things without snipers jacking all the crap on the market. It would put them in a position to -have- to only buy what they need, instead of all the stuff the rest of us are hoping to get.[/quote] [color=green] You'd want the admins to instate a rule that effectively not only destroys the free market, but it also punishes the players who are most active and take the most interest in the site? That's not a good business model. [/color] [quote]3) Unlimited market items. Something I like less only because those genes are meant to be harder to get, but at least it would take the value out of what the snipers can get.[/quote] [color=green] See above comments. [/color] [quote]4) Ban snipers. No not on the first go. I'd give them three warning first. After the third time it'd be a ban, cause not only is it unfair to the rest of the users, it absolutely ensures the economy of this site stays in the criminal ranks, as opposed to anything reasonable.[/quote] [color=green] Are you [i]seriously[/i] suggesting that they ban members for using a tactic and employing a free market exactly as it is meant to be employed? That would also, once again, result in many of the most active members becoming either banned or forced to be less active, which is not a good business model. [/color] [quote]Remember, my ranting on this post is not to harp on the site's functionality itself. I appreciate everything the staff is doing to make this site better and better with every passing day, and I know that's not going to happen without some hang ups. The point is to emphasize how much harder it makes this site for the rest of the players, when some jerkwad wants to run rampant and only worry about how much gold he or she can get instead of how the can possibly help the site become a better and more functional place for everyone.[/quote] [color=green] Your post shows that you don't believe that everyone should be allowed to play the game in the way they so desire or intend, and instead you believe everyone should be forced (see: banned) to follow your beliefs. I'm not a sniper by any means, I don't even visit the Market daily unless to get Boons and I've never had any serious issues getting genes or breed changes that I desire. Perhaps I've had to check a few times in one day, but I've never to date had to go more than a day to purchase something I had wanted. [/color]
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The economy of this site is pure mayhem. And its developing into frustration cause I have a hard time getting to the point where I can afford to buy the fancy gene's I've been wanting.

The economy is far from mayhem if you actually pay attention it. It's actually extremely easy to generate income using the Auction House. Also, those fancy genes are meant to be rare and therefore you shouldn't be able to just up and get one too easily.

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What exasperates and infuriates me, are the Marketplace Snipers. They're really the icing on this somewhat frustrating cake.
Waterflight is dominant for the first time since I joined. Nine times out of ten I either am too busy to do what I need to in the games to make money or don't have the patience to wait fifteen minutes for a game to MAYBE load when I can only stand to play one of them cause it actually stimulates me. So my money? It's a little on the limited scale.

You being too busy and the games not working correctly are not the fault of any of the players. You could perhaps blame lag on others, but you are as much at fault as they.
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So now that we get those discounts, I'm enthralled that I can afford to go get a gene or two and work on the dragons in my lair like I've been meaning too. I blissfully head over to the marketplace to check the prices... and within five minutes of viewing, EVERYTHING in the marketplace, from special to food vanishes cause the snipers come in and ruin it for the rest of us. Come the third time this week I've attempted to go see what I can buy, I have no hope. Even with the discounts, that I'm going to manage to grab anything other than the one gene I've managed to sink my claws into. Not because I can't afford them. But because I can almost promise myself that they wont even be there. They're going to be in the auction house at unfair, jacked up prices that only benefit the snipers and leave everyone else wanting to die.

The Marketplace stocks once per five minutes. Also, there was a bug in the system making the Marketplace empty its stock, which the Admins both addressed and fixed. It's actually very rare to not see what you want stocked at least once a day, provided you can check five or six times. Saying you checked three times over the course of a week isn't saying very much. I'd also hope that it doesn't make you want to die, that's an extreme reaction over a game..

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First and Foremost, users, REFUSE to buy from the overpriced people in AH. Keep note of what those genes actually cost in the marketplace, and if you see them selling higher, refuse to go near it. Heck, report that person to a moderator, even if that isn't technically against the rules, just to raise attention to the inconsiderate jerk.

If anything, you'd end up banned for being spiteful and flooding the mods with false reports. Most sites look down on false reporting. It's also not a good idea to completely destroy the free idea of a free market. Defeats the core idea.
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2) Limit how many specialty items can be bought per day. It'd SUCK for us. But at least it would give all of us a chance to get at things without snipers jacking all the crap on the market. It would put them in a position to -have- to only buy what they need, instead of all the stuff the rest of us are hoping to get.

You'd want the admins to instate a rule that effectively not only destroys the free market, but it also punishes the players who are most active and take the most interest in the site? That's not a good business model.
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3) Unlimited market items. Something I like less only because those genes are meant to be harder to get, but at least it would take the value out of what the snipers can get.

See above comments.
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4) Ban snipers. No not on the first go. I'd give them three warning first. After the third time it'd be a ban, cause not only is it unfair to the rest of the users, it absolutely ensures the economy of this site stays in the criminal ranks, as opposed to anything reasonable.

Are you seriously suggesting that they ban members for using a tactic and employing a free market exactly as it is meant to be employed? That would also, once again, result in many of the most active members becoming either banned or forced to be less active, which is not a good business model.
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Remember, my ranting on this post is not to harp on the site's functionality itself. I appreciate everything the staff is doing to make this site better and better with every passing day, and I know that's not going to happen without some hang ups. The point is to emphasize how much harder it makes this site for the rest of the players, when some jerkwad wants to run rampant and only worry about how much gold he or she can get instead of how the can possibly help the site become a better and more functional place for everyone.

Your post shows that you don't believe that everyone should be allowed to play the game in the way they so desire or intend, and instead you believe everyone should be forced (see: banned) to follow your beliefs. I'm not a sniper by any means, I don't even visit the Market daily unless to get Boons and I've never had any serious issues getting genes or breed changes that I desire. Perhaps I've had to check a few times in one day, but I've never to date had to go more than a day to purchase something I had wanted.
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You don't have to be in Water Flight to know where this topic was heading. :U
You don't have to be in Water Flight to know where this topic was heading. :U
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